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Old 10-13-2018, 08:33 AM
 
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Okay so there is a fundaamentsl difference in how cities define Downtown. Even having Downtown Boston at ~.75 sq mile you’d be including areas that people would laugh at you for considering say the North End or the Seaport in “Downtown Boston” heck some don’t even count Chinatown, meaning downtown is about .25 sq miles, just Fidi and DTX

While some cities like DC seem to consider everything Downtown. (even Downtown Minneapolis is like 3 sq miles). And obviously Minneaspolis’s CBD isn’t 6x bigger than Bostons
Traditionally, people in the district don’t consider areas like Capitol Hill and DuPont Circle to be a part of downtown. A lot of what you’re seeing is C-D boosterism. (For the record, I’d include CH in a greater downtown, but not DuPont).
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:36 AM
 
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Okay so there is a fundaamentsl difference in how cities define Downtown. Even having Downtown Boston at ~.75 sq mile you’d be including areas that people would laugh at you for considering say the North End or the Seaport in “Downtown Boston” heck some don’t even count Chinatown, meaning downtown is about .25 sq miles, just Fidi and DTX

While some cities like DC seem to consider everything Downtown. (even Downtown Minneapolis is like 3 sq miles). And obviously Minneaspolis’s CBD isn’t 6x bigger than Bostons
Actually, it’s the opposite of what you’re saying about DC. Nobody really considers anything downtown DC. I don’t know anybody in DC that says I’m going downtown. They say the neighborhood. We don’t have a downtown named neighborhood.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:37 AM
 
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Traditionally, people in the district don’t consider areas like Capitol Hill and DuPont Circle to be a part of downtown. A lot of what you’re seeing is C-D boosterism. (For the record, I’d include CH in a greater downtown, but not DuPont).
Who says downtown in DC? I live in DC and nobody says I’m having a party downtown. Where would that even be? That’s the whole point. We don’t have one. And everyone who lives in DC calls all of Connecticut Avenue to K street apart of DuPont whether it’s supposed to be or not. “I’m going to Ozios or Rose Bar in DuPont.”
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:44 AM
 
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Actually, it’s the opposite of what you’re saying about DC. Nobody really considers anything downtown DC. I don’t know anybody in DC that says I’m going downtown. They say the neighborhood. We don’t have a downtown named neighborhood.
Just a quick google of “Downtown DC” shows likterall every local media source says “Downtown DC” and local blogs like Curbed DC and GGW.

Most people don’t say “Downtown Boston” our loud either but everyone knows where it is.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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Just a quick google of “Downtown DC” shows likterall every local media source says “Downtown DC” and local blogs like Curbed DC and GGW.

Most people don’t say “Downtown Boston” our loud either but everyone knows where it is.
So ask a group of people “from DC” where downtown DC is. You’re going to get completely different answers. Why? The same reason everyone calls all of Golden Triangle apart of DuPont and all of Capital Riverfront apart of Navy Yard. Nobody knows what Golden Triangle or Capital Riverfront is.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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So ask a group of people “from DC” where downtown DC is. You’re going to get completely different answers. Why, for the same reason everyone calls all of Golden Triangle apart of DuPont and all of Capital Riverfront apart of Navy Yard. Nobody knows what Golden Triangle or Capital Riverfront is.
If people didn’t know where downtown was local media wouldn’t use it to discribe where things happen.
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Old 10-13-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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If people didn’t know where downtown was local media wouldn’t use it to discribe where things happen.
So, does local media call Foggy Bottom Downtown DC? How about Midtown? How about Golden Triangle? How about Mt. Vernon Triangle? Well they aren’t and each has their own BID named after their neighborhood.

Downtown DC Map
https://goo.gl/images/5rrKCK

Based on this map, we are all wrong including the Downtown DC Bid map below:

https://goo.gl/images/RGkgyH

And this map doesn’t have any neighborhood called downtown DC:

https://goo.gl/images/QCev7f

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Old 10-13-2018, 09:16 AM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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I clicked the link and I don’t consider that to be a grocery store. It’s a market with separate vendors selling produce. A market with many small vendors is not what most people consider to be a grocery store. Can you buy bread? Frozen or canned foods? Pet food? Dairy? It reminds me somewhat of what Grand Central Market in DTLA used to be like.
To the bolded, of course you can. I shop there. Fail.

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Edit to add that I’ve been to downtown Atlanta twice in the last couple years and explored extensively. I was impressed by the crowds at some places but thought that it had a long way to go in providing amenities for residents. There wasn’t much and of what there was much was closed on the weekends.
Based on this flawed logic, the Boqueria in Barcelona, Camden Market in London, Markthalle Neun in Berlin, Torvehallerne in Copenhaven, Marché des Enfants Rouges in Paris and Foodhallen in Amsterdam don't serve as grocery vendors either. Nice, albeit provincial, try.
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:38 AM
 
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So, does local media call Foggy Bottom Downtown DC? How about Midtown? How about Golden Triangle? How about Mt. Vernon Triangle? Well they aren’t and each has their own BID named after their neighborhood.

Downtown DC Map
https://goo.gl/images/5rrKCK

Based on this map, we are all wrong including the Downtown DC Bid map below:

https://goo.gl/images/RGkgyH

And this map doesn’t have any neighborhood called downtown DC:

https://goo.gl/images/QCev7f
I would trust the media more than those weird maps. because the media tends to use names that people actually know the location of, while a lot of the 'neighborhood' maps are pretty much made up.

Like I can find maps with SOWA and Midtown Boston which literally don't exist. If the someone said "5 Alarm Fire in Midtown" people would think they were talking about New York.
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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I would trust the media more than those weird maps. because the media tends to use names that people actually know the location of, while a lot of the 'neighborhood' maps are pretty much made up.

Like I can find maps with SOWA and Midtown Boston which literally don't exist. If the someone said "5 Alarm Fire in Midtown" people would think they were talking about New York.
So please show me the area where our local media is saying downtown DC and isn’t talking about all the areas I mentioned? You’re actually proving my boundaries.

NOMA is now downtown DC according to you:

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.fox5d...-in-stolen-car

Curbed DC which according to you defines downtown DC says Logan Circle is apart of Downtown DC:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dc.curb...-blagden-alley

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