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Old 10-25-2018, 07:34 PM
 
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Carson Pirie Scott on State: now Target

Lord & Taylor, Water Tower Place: now American Girl
Yes ... mentioning Water Tower Place had me in error say Lord and Taylor formally anchored there with the old Marshall Fields. But of course I meant the old Carson Pierre Scott formerly on State St .... now a Target. But odd to see the iconic cast iron exterior landmarked from change .... but as a Target inside today.

Great that State St retailing got so many stores again. But most the kind a suburban mall would have vs N Michigan area the higher-end retailers. Chicago is lucky with the two vibrant core retailing streets with malls along them too.

Much more a uphill battle for cities that are still trying to get thriving downtown retailing. Much harder today as retailing scaling back hurt from online shopping and Big box stores.

Even by me the malls left have more empty stores then open. One already demolished and the main one I use to go to .... down to 1 anchor store left from once 4.
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Old 10-27-2018, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Yes ... mentioning Water Tower Place had me in error say Lord and Taylor formally anchored there with the old Marshall Fields. But of course I meant the old Carson Pierre Scott formerly on State St .... now a Target. But odd to see the iconic cast iron exterior landmarked from change .... but as a Target inside today.

Great that State St retailing got so many stores again. But most the kind a suburban mall would have vs N Michigan area the higher-end retailers. Chicago is lucky with the two vibrant core retailing streets with malls along them too.

Much more a uphill battle for cities that are still trying to get thriving downtown retailing. Much harder today as retailing scaling back hurt from online shopping and Big box stores.

Even by me the malls left have more empty stores then open. One already demolished and the main one I use to go to .... down to 1 anchor store left from once 4.
Dave, so much has changed on what State Street is. One of the biggest changes is that the stretch from the river down to Congress (the Eisenhower) was once as CBD with the "B" highlighted because that truly was what it was: all about business. Residential virtually non-existent. The first major residential project didn't go up until the 1960's when what was once "Outer Drive East" was built along the lakefront, about 1/2 mile east of Michigan Avenue, the edge of the Loop. And at that time, to get there meant driving on the Randolph St. viaduct over r.r. tracks (not the span of Millennium Park today).

Since then much has changed, between new (and many quite tall) condo construction and a conversion of old retail/office buildings to residential along Michigan and Wabash, State Street in the Loop now has a large live in population, including high rises directly on State.

That residential component changes the character of State. Once upon a time, the Loop turned into a ghost town after business hours, save for the stretch of Randolph Street that was the city's theatre district (actually, still is). Dem days are gone.
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Old 10-30-2018, 09:33 AM
 
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Adams in between Wabash and Dearborn is still sketchy as s-hit at night. Plus the drug park by Harold Washington Library. The area needs some more security still.
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Old 10-30-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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Adams in between Wabash and Dearborn is still sketchy as s-hit at night. Plus the drug park by Harold Washington Library. The area needs some more security still.
Sadly, virtually every major US city can note such places still. There is a ongoing thread on Denver's uptick in drugs and needles in its core sadly and threads for our major cities that get threads noting seediness still can get seen sadly. Of course then the homeless boom some cities are plagued with. But guess your need to note this for Chicago is to be a point in its inclusion as a fully functioning core in every way noted now ......

I remember some sights in the late 70s yet downtown Chicago. Nothing close left and the OMG NYC Times Square yet then. Sadly we are in a era of drugs not just a Big city thing. My olé small city has plenty today. Sad indeed that small towns even have the issues today.
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Old 10-30-2018, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Reno, NV
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Reno, where I live now, is miles away from qualifying. Totally dead after 8 pm except for the odd panhandler, and the garishly glimmering casinos on every corner just make it more obvious.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:12 PM
 
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Boston yes. DC not really. It's a great urban core but most of the destination retail is in Georgetown.

LA not a chance. It lacks tourism and retail.
In the past I may have agreed with you regarding downtown LA, but that is no longer the case. In the past ten years DTLA has experienced an incredible renaissance. Hipsters are moving to DTLA in droves and paying top dollar to live there. And the incredible infusion of dollars from foreign investors continues to change the face of DTLA making it a tourist destination as well. The "LA Live" area and Grand Central Market, which are always crowded with locals and tourists alike, are but two of the many destinations to visit in DTLA. 4 of the cities 6 train lines terminate in DTLA, making the city core more accessible than ever before.
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:11 PM
 
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We can disagree. I don't see DTLA as having a top-tier level of retail or a ton of tourism, as both are centered elsewhere. LA Live is a mausoleum unless an event is happening. The volume of infill is good but it'll take a while longer.
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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We can disagree. I don't see DTLA as having a top-tier level of retail or a ton of tourism, as both are centered elsewhere. LA Live is a mausoleum unless an event is happening. The volume of infill is good but it'll take a while longer.
You've said that about LA Live before and again I don't doubt your experience but living 3 blocks from LA Live my experience is that it's usually busy when I go. And I don't usually go for events. I tend to stay away because I expect it to be crowded. I go mostly because my local movie theater is there.
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Old 01-22-2019, 08:36 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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We can disagree. I don't see DTLA as having a top-tier level of retail or a ton of tourism, as both are centered elsewhere. LA Live is a mausoleum unless an event is happening. The volume of infill is good but it'll take a while longer.
I'm not a big fan of South Park, but I disagree with the notion that LA Live is a mausoleum without an event and would further add that there are more days where there is an event than there aren't. You also have to keep in mind that South Park develops with some very large projects and just a few months ago 600+ apartments debuted as a single development across the street from Staples Center. Things change pretty rapidly there so your past experiences might get outdated fairly quickly.

I agree that DTLA attracts less top-tier level of retail and does more boutique-y or mid-brow for the most part depending on where in DTLA you are, but I disagree that it doesn't get a ton of tourism. It may get less for a downtown proportional to the rest of the city than many other cities, but LA gets a lot of tourism in absolute numbers and even if a proportionally smaller chunk of it hits downtown compared to other cities, it's still more than just all except a handful of other US cities in absolute amounts.

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Old 01-22-2019, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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I'm not a big fan of South Park, but I disagree with the notion that LA Live is a mausoleum without an event and would further add that there are more days where there is an event than there aren't.

I agree that DTLA attracts less top-tier level of retail and does more boutique-y or mid-brow for the most part depending on where in DTLA you are, but I disagree that it doesn't get a ton of tourism. It may get less for a downtown proportional to the rest of the city than many other cities, but LA gets a lot of tourism in absolute numbers and even if a proportionally smaller chunk of it hits downtown compared to other cities, it's still more than just all except a handful of other US cities in absolute amounts.
DTLA probably gets more tourism than it warrants. We even have tour buses driving around.

Many tourists are going to events staples or the Convention Center like you might expect, but many others stay downtown because they are misinformed expect it to be the center of LA, which it's not.

And I live in South Park. It's the area of downtown booming the most. It's fun to see all the changes taking place firsthand.
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