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Old 02-05-2019, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Midtown does not, though I guess when talking about San Francisco vs Boston, it's a matter of degrees and where San Francisco sort of dances just outside of the requirements on one front or another. San Francisco has streets that have all of what you're talking about in the narrower streets that function more as alleys, but those are alleys though people do walk in them (and these days, live in them). Then it has the streets that are more for the "front" of the buildings and sometimes have retail/commercial on the ground floor, but those are often four to five car lanes rather than say two to three, but not as wide as Midtown's larger avenues. Then there are narrower streets that are at the front of the buildings, but are usually built to a height of three stories and occasionally four rather than 4-6 as a standard save for small stretches like Sacramento Street in downtown San Francisco which are then seldom residential.
Yea I think there are a few cities that "dance just outside of the requirements" so to speak. Chicago and DC come to mind and maybe even small patches of LA.
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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Here are a few examples of Philly that showcase the narrow, very dense, without setbacks and on street parking, street wall built environment Bajan is referring to.

Old city
https://goo.gl/maps/9T1Lfv1evmm

https://goo.gl/maps/ptj1c4ZBV812

https://goo.gl/maps/T1Ho6C6pE3p

Washington Square
https://goo.gl/maps/D81AqdJjMyq

Midtown village
https://goo.gl/maps/TQqbZokPp4A2

A South Philly street that is probably the narrowest street in America.
https://goo.gl/maps/EwbYkNK2S9J2

That built environment type is uniquely Philly.
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Here are a few examples of Philly that showcase the narrow, very dense, without setbacks and on street parking, street wall built environment Bajan is referring to.

Old city
https://goo.gl/maps/9T1Lfv1evmm

https://goo.gl/maps/ptj1c4ZBV812

https://goo.gl/maps/T1Ho6C6pE3p

Washington Square
https://goo.gl/maps/D81AqdJjMyq

Midtown village
https://goo.gl/maps/TQqbZokPp4A2

A South Philly street that is probably the narrowest street in America.
https://goo.gl/maps/EwbYkNK2S9J2

That built environment type is uniquely Philly.
Very interesting.

San Francisco has it's own version of this, like Philly, unmistakeably SF. Here are some examples:

North Beach:
https://goo.gl/maps/cSV2UXzCd4r

Telegraph Hill:
https://goo.gl/maps/tNMQC665ZjN2

Chinatown:
https://goo.gl/maps/AYAw7ata4on

https://goo.gl/maps/RjCCQhQq8YA2

https://goo.gl/maps/gYefCXZmTeG2

https://goo.gl/maps/SVcyEorjpmu

https://goo.gl/maps/8XSaGToauCo
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Here are a few examples of Philly that showcase the narrow, very dense, without setbacks and on street parking, street wall built environment Bajan is referring to.

Old city
https://goo.gl/maps/9T1Lfv1evmm

https://goo.gl/maps/ptj1c4ZBV812

https://goo.gl/maps/T1Ho6C6pE3p

Washington Square
https://goo.gl/maps/D81AqdJjMyq

Midtown village
https://goo.gl/maps/TQqbZokPp4A2

A South Philly street that is probably the narrowest street in America.
https://goo.gl/maps/EwbYkNK2S9J2

That built environment type is uniquely Philly.
I was thinking more about Rittenhouse Square. That's the vertical walking city within the city. Center City regresses to lower-rise rowhousing once you leave that area. The whole 2.5 square miles of CC isn't a mini-Manhattan. We're talking about maybe a third to a fourth of it.
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Katy-zuela
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Uh, no. Center City Philly is quite vibrant by any definition and is easily one of the best downtowns in the country.
Anything East of Broad is part of the Independence Historical Park. The Logan Square is where the skyscrapers are being built and Rittenhouse Square is very residential.

I started getting concerned when stores like Under Armor and Michael Kors were starting to close in Center City. What about that rumored Bloomingdales in the old Strawbridge's? It never came to pass. I guess King of Prussia is still a big pull for the Greater Philadelphia area, even for Center City inhabitants?

Why Are Stores Closing On Walnut - Now it's Under Armour, SIPS Spots | Philly Chit Chat
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:01 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Anything East of Broad is part of the Independence Historical Park. The Logan Square is where the skyscrapers are being built and Rittenhouse Square is very residential.

I started getting concerned when stores like Under Armor and Michael Kors were starting to close in Center City. What about that rumored Bloomingdales in the old Strawbridge's? It never came to pass. I guess King of Prussia is still a big pull for the Greater Philadelphia area, even for Center City inhabitants?

Why Are Stores Closing On Walnut - Now it's Under Armour, SIPS Spots | Philly Chit Chat
That is one aspect where Philadelphia falters, there is no pristine shopping boulevard (a la 5th Ave, Michigan Ave, Newbury St, etc.)

There is a fair amount of shopping on Walnut and Chestnut Streets, but they are not destination shopping streets.

King of Prussia has turned into a beyond massive retail complex, mostly higher end shopping, and virtually any new high-end retailer counts King of Prussia as their "Philadelphia location".
Suburban Philadelphia is also a different retail market, hence why stores like Jimmy Choo, Hermes, Loro Piana, Louboutin, etc. are lining up there, but not in Center City.

But to be fair, retail in general is stagnant, not a Philadelphia only issue.

Last edited by cpomp; 02-07-2019 at 03:00 PM.. Reason: Edited thought
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Anything East of Broad is part of the Independence Historical Park. The Logan Square is where the skyscrapers are being built and Rittenhouse Square is very residential.

I started getting concerned when stores like Under Armor and Michael Kors were starting to close in Center City. What about that rumored Bloomingdales in the old Strawbridge's? It never came to pass. I guess King of Prussia is still a big pull for the Greater Philadelphia area, even for Center City inhabitants?

Why Are Stores Closing On Walnut - Now it's Under Armour, SIPS Spots | Philly Chit Chat
brick and mortar retail is very volatile these days due to online shopping and big box proliferation in the suburbs. Manhattan itself is seeing a huge surge in empty storefronts so we all get a pass on that.
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:19 PM
 
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brick and mortar retail is very volatile these days due to online shopping and big box proliferation in the suburbs. Manhattan itself is seeing a huge surge in empty storefronts so we all get a pass on that.
Even some of the suburban mall outlets seem to be dying.
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