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Old 10-30-2018, 10:11 PM
 
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Southern California traffic is through the roof, home ownership (and renting) is unattainable for most, and there's a multitude of political hot buttons...

Which metro area/city provides the most direct band-aid to the problems faced by young people in Southern California? Where should they flee in hopes of attaining the American Dream? Is it Phoenix? Dallas, or some other place?
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Old 10-30-2018, 10:56 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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Southern California traffic is through the roof, home ownership (and renting) is unattainable for most, and there's a multitude of political hot buttons...

Which metro area/city provides the most direct band-aid to the problems faced by young people in Southern California? Where should they flee in hopes of attaining the American Dream? Is it Phoenix? Dallas, or some other place?
I think you need to consider the reasons why Los Angeles appeals to millennials. You havenít defined ďThe American Dream.Ē If you mean 2.5 kids, a dog and a white picket fence, thatís not what millennials want. As a millennial myself, I would say we are more interested in urban areas, farmers markets, local businesses, vibrancy, density, etc. As a millennial, Phoenix isnít the type of place I would personally consider as a desirable place to live personally though Iím sure you could get some or most of that in certain parts. But I would overall say places like Austin, Portland, and Denver would be the heirs to more of Los Angelesí millenials than a place like Phoenix.
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Old 10-30-2018, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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As a Millennial in Phoenix, Bluefox did a pretty good job explaining it.

What *most* Millennials want is where housing is under short supply because Boomers wanted to live practically the opposite life and continue to block it by being NIMBY. And as such Millennials want to go to expensive cities where these neighborhoods are slightly bigger, but still rare compared to the rest of their building stock because well, they have no other choice. American Millennials want a European or East Asian (Tokyo for example) designed city, they will go wherever is closest to that.

Now before anyone argues me, conservative traditional Millennials are a minority, so yes there will be some with the nuclear family and such, but they are not *most* of people in this age group.

Yes, there are parts of Phoenix that fit this lifestyle as close as any American carcentric city can. They are also some of our most expensive neighborhoods, no different than LA on that front. Downtown can run 1.3k/month and higher for a one bedroom. Especially in the most Millennial neighborhoods, like Roosevelt Row. Downtown Tempe and Old Town Scottsdale are actually even more expensive than Phoenix and also offer this lifestyle.

It’s sad because as someone born and raised in Phoenix I love living in State 48 but Phoenix really only offers a good lifestyle for one particular demographic of people (middle to upper class white conservative suburbanites with families). If you stray from any of those it’s hard to find Phoenix appealing and it’s hard to justify living here. Arguably the big reason why Phoenix suffers from brain drain. Cities should be diverse with housing options and its residents rather than segregated and pander to a small subsection of the population.
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Old 10-30-2018, 11:47 PM
 
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Great points! To clarify, I meant places/destinations for a more conservative millennial in pursuit of the nuclear family, and definitely less of the type who treasures self exploration/farmer's markets.
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Old 10-30-2018, 11:51 PM
 
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Old 10-31-2018, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Western Asia
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Southern California traffic is through the roof, home ownership (and renting) is unattainable for most, and there's a multitude of political hot buttons...

Which metro area/city provides the most direct band-aid to the problems faced by young people in Southern California? Where should they flee in hopes of attaining the American Dream? Is it Phoenix? Dallas, or some other place?
Phoenix is a great alternative in my opinion...excellent pay compared to cost, growing economy, sunny climate, mountains near, LA & SD close, and moderate politically.


I think Dallas could also be good if you don't mind humidity and no mountains.
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Old 10-31-2018, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Brew City
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Not if you value access to water in any significant way. The ocean would be the only reason this millennial would ever consider Los Angeles. Phoenix wouldn't make the top 100.
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Naples Island
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I beg your pardon?

Clearly, you have never lived in Phoenix because, if you have, you would never be promoting city as an alternative to Los Angeles.

Trust me, no one in the right mind would move from Los Angeles or Orange County to Phoenix.

In my experience, 110-degree daily high temperatures with 40% humidity day-in an day-out from July 1 to September 10 (i.e., “monsoon season”) is extremely unpleasant.

Also, the "Four R's" (i.e., Recruiting, Retail, Real Estate and Rental Car) of the Phoenix economy are very low-paying industry sectors (<$45k annually).

At least Dallas has a stronger, more diversified economy with a better-educated, more competitive workforce.
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Old 10-31-2018, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Debatable
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No, if you want to live the 1950s American Dream, you would want to pick the midwest, specifically states like Iowa that have a worker shortage in many positions across the blue and white collar spectrum. Cost of living is lower, and coupled with the higher pay (due to a lack of workers), it is far more feasible to live off one breadwinner's income (if we are going off the stereotypical 1950's image of a nuclear family).

Look at the monthly Zumper rent report and pick any of the cities towards the bottom of the list, and you can have your American dream in that city. You have to let go of these big name cities and look at less obvious choices.

EDIT: Places such as Akron, Lincoln, Tucson, Colombus, Cincinnati, Omaha, Rochester, Cleveland, etc.

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Old 10-31-2018, 12:33 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Sacramento seems like a very reasonable option. I think a lot of people opt for Portland, Denver, and Austin. I guess some proportion of people might opt for Phoenix, but I doubt it's a plurality especially as Phoenix isn't economically that great for most career choices.
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