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Old 12-23-2018, 01:00 AM
 
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While it's disappointing that the city cannot fix its issues in regards to the impoverished black communities who continue to die or move away, your statements do point to a positive future once things settle out with the city and state. It's not great the city has failed its most at-risk populations, but it's not a failed and shrinking city in the way that many other Great Lakes/Rust Belt cities are. It's not a Detroit (sorry Detroit). I think once the city sees enough of these young professionals with disposable income filling up the city, things will be on the up again for its finances. And sadly, Chicago carries the entire state. The conservatives in other parts of IL might wish to see Chicago fail to "stick it to the *******s," but without Chicago and its "wealthy educated elite" that go to universities "to be indoctrinated," and without all the "illegals stealing your jobs" and the "gays ruining the sanctity of marriage," Chicago could not carry the state of IL much longer. For IL to succeed, Chicago must succeed, the same way that NYC must succeed for NY to succeed, no matter how badly the conservatives want to "stick it to the *******s." So those wealthy educated indoctrinated gay-loving immigrant-loving snowflakes are badly needed in Chicago, and it seems like they're going to be able to add value to the region's economy soon hopefully.

I keep hearing this sentiment from Chicagoans online and it's sort of baffling. Chicago wishes it was a Detroit right now because guess what? Detroit MSA is growing and has a higher GDP growth rate than Chicago, Detroit is post-bankruptcy and doing well financially, Detroit's state of Michigan is growing and has a balanced budget.



Illinois however is losing population like no tomorrow and finding itself in the state bankruptcy black hole along with Chicago where nobody really knows what's going to happen. I'd much rather be a home owner in Detroit if I'm being totally honest.
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Old 12-23-2018, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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I keep hearing this sentiment from Chicagoans online and it's sort of baffling. Chicago wishes it was a Detroit right now because guess what? Detroit MSA is growing and has a higher GDP growth rate than Chicago, Detroit is post-bankruptcy and doing well financially, Detroit's state of Michigan is growing and has a balanced budget.



Illinois however is losing population like no tomorrow and finding itself in the state bankruptcy black hole along with Chicago where nobody really knows what's going to happen. I'd much rather be a home owner in Detroit if I'm being totally honest.
Do you currently live in Chicago?

I don't think you have a good understanding of what it's like to live in Detroit. Just because it's on an upward trajectory, and Chicago has stagnated does not make it a better or healthier city. Detroit will never compete with Chicago on any level.

I don't see any Chicagoans who wish they were like Detroit. Chicago gets a bad rap for its high number of murders, Detroit's murder per capita is about twice as high. That city will never make a full recovery.
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Old 12-23-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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I keep hearing this sentiment from Chicagoans online and it's sort of baffling. Chicago wishes it was a Detroit right now because guess what? Detroit MSA is growing and has a higher GDP growth rate than Chicago, Detroit is post-bankruptcy and doing well financially, Detroit's state of Michigan is growing and has a balanced budget.



Illinois however is losing population like no tomorrow and finding itself in the state bankruptcy black hole along with Chicago where nobody really knows what's going to happen. I'd much rather be a home owner in Detroit if I'm being totally honest.
Never
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Old 12-23-2018, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Never
Agreed. Never heard a single person from Chicago or Illinois issue this sentiment.
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Old 12-23-2018, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Reno, NV
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Agreed. Never heard a single person from Chicago or Illinois issue this sentiment.
I'm from Chicago and while I'm a little envious of the rapid backtracking Detroit is doing in its population shrinkage, I understand that it had to fall way further than we ever have to reach the cost of living and "*please* move here" attitude that have given the city its current appeal.
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Old 12-23-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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Never

These are the best economic times and Chicago/Illinois is still failing. If I had to choose what place to settle or bet on for the future it would never be Illinois. Even Ohio has much better prospects.



Chicago's trajectory is all downhill and don't kid yourself, things are going to get much worse. There are no signs of stabilizing.
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Old 12-23-2018, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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These are the best economic times and Chicago/Illinois is still failing. If I had to choose what place to settle or bet on for the future it would never be Illinois. Even Ohio has much better prospects.



Chicago's trajectory is all downhill and don't kid yourself, things are going to get much worse. There are no signs of stabilizing.
Current economic times are actually quite mixed. And people also said these exact sentiments about Detroit and Michigan ad nauseam, yet here we are...And make no mistake, Detroit and Michigan still have a long way to go.
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Old 12-23-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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A long way from where? Michigan's economy is well over pre-recession levels, Michigan's population is about to reach it's 2004 peak again. Michigan is only getting better on all levels and so is Minnesota.



This is from the perspective of an outsider so I don't have some Illinois bias like most of you seem to have.
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Old 12-23-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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Absolutely.

The “Truth” is 9-9.7 million people actually live in and around the counties surrounding DC and Baltimore and it is VERY contiguous. All in about the same land mass as a city like Houston or Dallas.

This does distort anything, this is the truth. This doesn’t mean the city propers of either should be considered 9 million because they aren’t, and neither is Chicago’s city proper either, but it too has contiguous suburbs of its singular city that are 9-10 million when added together.
People seem to forget that DC and Baltimore are less than 40 miles apart. That's pretty close as far as major cities go, let alone metro areas.
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Old 12-23-2018, 01:04 PM
 
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These are the best economic times and Chicago/Illinois is still failing. If I had to choose what place to settle or bet on for the future it would never be Illinois. Even Ohio has much better prospects.



Chicago's trajectory is all downhill and don't kid yourself, things are going to get much worse. There are no signs of stabilizing.
Really, Mr. Know-it-all. Wondering what your inside scoop is, that you know what no one else knows. Chicago's population is becoming wealthier and more educated, so there's that, and it's certainly not the other way around. Clearly, new poster, you have a Chicago bias.
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