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Old 11-18-2018, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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If the Loop is able to feed off of the great rail terminals west of the river, it is pretty clear that Fulton Market feeds off the same two to the east.

One downtown.
Fulton Market is considered part of greater downtown Chicago but I was thinking how the expressways pretty much break it up from the main parts of downtown. Give it 5 more years though and it will basically be River North v2.0 for better or for worse.

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I think the recently approves "78" mega project with due wonders in unifing the South loop with downtown core even more seamlessly.
Yes. This would be good if they were able to do it, but I doubt it would complete for a minimum of 15 years. The amount of office space is equivalent to Hudson Yards. However, if they can do it, it would be awesome as I always thought it was weird going from downtown to Chinatown on the street. At least through this area, it would really make it more seamless.
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Old 11-18-2018, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Fulton Market is considered part of greater downtown Chicago but I was thinking how the expressways pretty much break it up from the main parts of downtown. Give it 5 more years though and it will basically be River North v2.0 for better or for worse.



Yes. This would be good if they were able to do it, but I doubt it would complete for a minimum of 15 years. The amount of office space is equivalent to Hudson Yards. However, if they can do it, it would be awesome as I always thought it was weird going from downtown to Chinatown on the street. At least through this area, it would really make it more seamless.
I wonder if anyone has any idea what went on with the plan I will describe below. It was hardly a low profile plan and got a lot of ink, enough renderings and discussion for me to consider it no pipe dream:

The idea was the roof over the Kennedy Expy, basically north from the circle interchange to Hubbard's Cave, thus covering all access areas to the Loop.

The covering was supposed to be (not surprisingly) park land, with enough holes (aesthetically designed) to allow light to hit the now covered expressway (which would obviously need it.....given that this crazy less-than-a-mile stretch finds entrances to the highway on the left...with virtually no merging lane. Yikes).

Anyway, marothisu, this plan would more than address the issues you've raised and since Halsted St through Greektown is definitely turning into a high rise cavern (or cliff.....most buildings be only on one side, the east), we do already have a stretch of road that looks very downtown like.
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Old 11-18-2018, 08:40 PM
 
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Yes, it could, which is why those cities consider them to be separate districts.
When I lived in Miami, I don't recall anyone referring to Brickell as downtown. It is and always been considered a separate entity.
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People these days still don't consider Brickell as part of downtown Miami. I still have my place in Brickell and every time people ask where it is, I say downtown, they ask where and I say Brickell and they reply "that's not downtown". So even today after all the development and connectivity, people still consider Brickell as a separate entity as you said.

You both are simply wrong, and I'm calling BS on these anecdotal experiences as you both share animus to Miami, and while you claim to have lived here and still have a place here, please do not represent your observations as having insight to anything here. You may not have an axe to grind, but your "insights" in virtually every thread discussing "Miami" have led me to question your motives.

I've lived here since 1983, and not once has a person I've met living in Brickell and living in Dade county recognized that Brickell is not part of Downtown Miami. In fact, at the risk of TMI, one of my first experiences as a freshman at the University of Miami was with a person who said he lived in Brickell and then clarified as it being "DOWNTOWN" - when in fact it was closer to the Rickenbacker CWSY. More recently when people have to visit one of the consulates on Brickell they may refer Brickell but they really dread the trip into Downtown where all the tall buildings are and it's a ***** to park and negotiate they don't even consider consider the Miami River as a boundary, only something where they might have to wait for a drawbridge.

It's much the same as people that live on the northern part of downtown Miami in Edgewater/Omni - easy to Brickell and the CBD and still Downtown - now a desirable area to live. If one really understood the realities of greater Miami and it's psychic geography then the Brickell/Downtown issue is ridiculous as is the analogous Miami/Miami Beach separation that many here claim. IMHO they are straw man assertions meant to deprive one part of assets from claiming the other's, when those of us who live here know experience the assets and trials day to day.

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Old 11-19-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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Well *&%^ Maybe Virginia Beach? At least some respect for an honorable mention.
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Old 11-20-2018, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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After 10 years of delays caused by the Great Recession, an eastern extension of Savannah’s downtown along the river front is finally moving forward. Originally marketed as Savannah River Landing, the new Eastern Wharf district now under construction will add hundreds of housing units, new retail and restaurants, hotel and office towers and thousands of parking spots in two garages on 54 acres just outside the Historic District.


https://easternwharfsavannah.com
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Old 11-20-2018, 06:46 AM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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You both are simply wrong, and I'm calling BS on these anecdotal experiences as you both share animus to Miami, and while you claim to have lived here and still have a place here, please do not represent your observations as having insight to anything here. You may not have an axe to grind, but your "insights" in virtually every thread discussing "Miami" have led me to question your motives.
With respect, I will assert that our anecdotal experiences are every bit as justified as yours, and your dismissive and disrespectful tone is indicative of why I dislike the Miami area and its inhabitants.
Play nice in the sandbox.
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Old 11-20-2018, 06:51 AM
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Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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What about river cities? There's a built up area in Covington and Newport Kentucky just across from Cincinnati.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0897...thumbfov%3D100
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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What about river cities? There's a built up area in Covington and Newport Kentucky just across from Cincinnati.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0897...thumbfov%3D100
interesting thought.....although nothing elsewhere (IMHO) compares with the dynamics to Cincinnati to Covington/Newport. This is the strongest "cross the river/different state" conjoining of anywhere in America. Cincy/NorKy is unique, almost to there point that those two communities almost seem a part of the greater downtown Cincinnati area.
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