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Old 11-19-2018, 04:57 PM
Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by march2 View Post
Your statement is pretty much based on opinion and regional stereotypes/biases rather than facts. If you have some studies to back up that the South specifically arrests innocent black citizens and gets harsher sentences compared to white citizens in a 100% apples-to-apples comparison (that's the key), it'd be nice if you would post these. Southern states have a disproportionate percentage of black people that other regions, so there will naturally be a higher rate of incarceration than other parts of the nation. Though prison reform is needed in some areas of the system, an individual can only be "reformed" if one chooses to do what it takes. The worse thing they can do to themselves is play victim. That will only keep the cycle going. Here are some facts:

Dr. Richard Johnson, Criminologist, University of Toledo; 2012 American Crime Study:
***Black males are only 6.5% of the population, but commit 52% of all murders.
***In 2014, there were more than 6,000 black-on-black murders, more than white-on-white and hispanic-on-hispanic murders combined.

U.S. Department of Justice 2015:
***In America’s 75 largest counties in 2009, blacks constituted 62 percent of all robbery defendants, 57 percent of all murder defendants, 45 percent of all assault defendants—but are only 15 percent of the population.
***Black males between 14-17 commit murder at 10X the rate of white and hispanic teen males combined.
***Black males of all age groups murder at a rate 8X that of white and hispanic males combined.

In a Brookings Institute (which is a left-leaning organization) study in 2013:
It was found that the #1 issue hurting the black community is the 75% out-of-wedlock birth rate. If the rate was that high within any racial group, they would suffer the same harmful effects. The study also concluded that if any person, regardless of race, did 3 things (1. Not have a child outside of wedlock, 2. Graduate from high school, 3. Get a job), 98% would NOT be at or below the poverty line and 75% would be in the middle class.

I know these stats will flip a lot of C-Ders out because it goes against a very popular narrative you cling onto for dear life. Are you not concerned with the 75% out-of-wedlock births within the black community that robs children of a father influence they desperately need for guidance? What about the black-on-black crime that law abiding black citizens have to deal with on a daily basis? You turn a blind eye towards the very issues that would transform these communities, so you're part of the problem. So redirecting your own personal bigotry on a certain region with no bases at all helps no one. Until you and the like-minded can take a totally honest view of these facts, the very communities and citizens you proclaim to care so much about will continue to suffer.
The thing is the number 1 state is Oklahoma winch doesn't have a large Black population at all it's just the culture of these places. Majority of people in prison have not committed murder at all so just picking murder tells a very small in accurate piece of the puzzle.
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Old 11-19-2018, 05:03 PM
Location: Miami
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Originally Posted by sean1the1 View Post
In the southern states Prison is an industry just like an other industry they don't want to rehabilitate prisoners they want to keep them in so the prison business profits.

A Lot of it has to do with after slavery prison became the new thing many Blacks were sent to prison for minor crimes, and used as cheap or free labour it's crazy to see how this still has an effect on these states. What's even more appalling is Ca has 12 million more people and less prisoners that's striking!

Trump just threw his support around prison reform, and many republicans have as well with almost all democrats, but there are a few who completely oppose this as they are from southern states for the most part. They don't want rehabilitation they want to rank in profits from the state.
Not just the southern states chief, it’s a countrywide issue that a certain group of people continue to ignore, even in California.
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Old 11-19-2018, 05:05 PM
Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by fezzador View Post
Crime stats today are wildly different than they were say, ca. 1950. Yes, there are some huge racial disparities in crime statistics, but that's a by-product of certain socioeconomic laws of a long-gone era. Sundown ordinances (IMHO, the absolute worst aspect of Jim Crow) are the very reason why there's such a stark contrast between inner-city and suburban life. The laws are gone, but the adverse effects (i.e. poverty) still loom large.
Precisely what I was hinting at whenever you look at the current situation you can always dig a little, and see specifically what caused it. In California particularly crime rates for young Black men have dropped to insanely low rates it kind of appalling actually to put it into perspective, and the reason is not more policing winch as we can see the southern states have not learned, but the remnants of Jim-crow are still alive and well down there. Why the Gigantic, Decades-Long Drop in Black Youth Crime Threatens Major Interests — Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice
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Old 11-19-2018, 06:15 PM
Location: San Diego CA>Tijuana, BC>San Antonio, TX
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Here is another interesting website with an interactive map of the US and each State's prison population.

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Old 11-20-2018, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by _OT View Post
Not just the southern states chief, it’s a countrywide issue that a certain group of people continue to ignore, even in California.
True...For instance, around 75% or so of NY State's incarcerated in correctional institutions come/came from 7 highly black and/or Hispanic/Latino areas of NYC. https://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/23/n...e-to-help.html


Newer information: https://www.timesunion.com/news/arti...n-12216340.php

Also, what people may not realize and why the prison system is essence can be viewed as a scheme of sorts, is that prisoners are included in the census data of a town. Meaning, you can have a town with a 2 correctional facilities and given the information I mentioned above, that show demographics that really aren't an indication of that town's real demographics. In turn, given that federal funding is based upon demographics, that town actually gets federal funding based upon what the census shows, even if the correctional facility skews those demographics. This means that the town gets funding based upon prisoners that have no ties to that town versus the communities that they really come from, which missing out on much needed funding.

Here is an example of what I am referring to in regards to NY State and how you can decipher how this occurs. Here is a school district that I know includes 3 correctional facilities in the northern portion of the state: Malone Central School District Historical Race Data - USA.com™

The block group that they are located in: Census Block Group 950502-2 in Franklin County, New York

It looks like a somewhat diverse small town area, right. However check out the school demographics: Franklin Academy High School
More recent: https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=361818001635
From the NYSED Report Card: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000051755

So, this community is likely getting funding based upon the the first set of demographics, while the school demographics show a totally different set of demographics. In turn, this community likely has many people employed by those facilities(minimally those of color) as well.

This is something that never or hardly gets brought up in terms of this topic, but it is something that people need to be very much aware of. I say that because if you don't have a plan for yourself, there are things out there that will have one for you and you may not like it...

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