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Old 12-06-2018, 06:25 AM
 
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I've heard quite a few Iowans go on and on about how "ugly" Nebraska is even though all but the western third looks IDENTICAL to Iowa. Not sure how much is good natured teasing, but it makes me wonder how many have actually been out of Iowa if they say that.
I cringe when Iowans mock Nebraska's landscape. The eastern 2/3rds of Nebraska and western 2/3rds of Iowa are indistinguishable. The only parts of each state that don't look like anything in the other is the arid high plains/sand hills of western Nebraska, and the deciduous forest and rugged limestone outcroppings of eastern Iowa and the Driftless area.

Culturally, there's a healthy Iowa/Nebraska rivalry. Like Kansas/Missouri it seems to be a two way street, but we've never fought a literal war with each other. The funny part about said civic/cultural rivalry is I'm pretty sure the rest of the country can't tell us apart.
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:29 AM
 
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Great observation. Obviously the Kansas Missouri hate has a historical reality to it.

The Texas Oklahoma thing is partly derived by sports but Texas people are pretty much derisive toward all their neighboring states. Arkansas gets it pretty good from them as well. Of course they had college sports rivalries with Arkansas for a good part of the last century. For some reason Arkansas has a lot of hate for Oklahoma. The only reason I think that is is that the poorest parts of Oklahoma (eastern) pretty much relies on Arkansas cities like Fayetteville, Ft Smith, even Dequeen for jobs and retail.

Basically Texas hate is kind of funny because their rural areas aren't much different than the surrounding areas but obviously the other states don't have cities to match the clout of DFW, Houston, San Antonio and the like. I'm sure the Twin Cities like to look down their nose at poor little Des Moines.
Oh, God yes. All of Minnesota. People in Rochester, MN think it's got more going on than Des Moines, which is comical if you've ever spent any time in the two towns.

It would be like someone from Wichita Falls ****ting on Tulsa.
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:06 AM
 
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I love Minnesota, but I agree. I don't get the bashing and elitism some people have towards neighbouring states. Sometimes its tongue and cheek but other times its not. No need to bash on Iowa or Wisconsin. We're all brothers here!
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Oh, God yes. All of Minnesota. People in Rochester, MN think it's got more going on than Des Moines, which is comical if you've ever spent any time in the two towns.
Not sure where you get your ideas from, but people in Minnesota just don't really think about Iowa at all, in general. There's not enough consciousness about it as a place for anyone to harbor negative feelings about it. I feel like Minnesotans are much more focused on Wisconsin and all of the insane Republican shenanigans going on over there, along with the obvious sports rivalry.
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:07 PM
 
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Not sure where you get your ideas from, but people in Minnesota just don't really think about Iowa at all, in general. There's not enough consciousness about it as a place for anyone to harbor negative feelings about it. I feel like Minnesotans are much more focused on Wisconsin and all of the insane Republican shenanigans going on over there, along with the obvious sports rivalry.
Personal experience. I went to high school in Rochester. My brother lives in St. Paul now. Tell a Minnesotan you're from Iowa, and watch the disdain and dismissiveness roll down.

Hell, your post kind of proves my point. "You're too insignificant for our thoughts".
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:54 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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I cringe when Iowans mock Nebraska's landscape. The eastern 2/3rds of Nebraska and western 2/3rds of Iowa are indistinguishable. The only parts of each state that don't look like anything in the other is the arid high plains/sand hills of western Nebraska, and the deciduous forest and rugged limestone outcroppings of eastern Iowa and the Driftless area.

Culturally, there's a healthy Iowa/Nebraska rivalry. Like Kansas/Missouri it seems to be a two way street, but we've never fought a literal war with each other. The funny part about said civic/cultural rivalry is I'm pretty sure the rest of the country can't tell us apart.
The truth is if you took me to a cornfield in a blackened out vehicle and dropped me off I wouldn't know if I were in Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Kansas, or either Dakota.

I had forgotten to mention eastern Iowa and the Driftless Area.

I know some Iowans who actually questioned why I stayed the night in Nebraska when I drove from Wyoming to visit them. They asked with such disdain about what I was possibly doing in Nebraska. It was pretty damn ignorant. I know not all Iowans are this way but it was a bit shocking. These were the same people who acted so surprised to hear my girlfriend when I was living in Montana (she was a Montana native) hadn't been to Des Moines. Forget the fact that you pretty much have to be going to Des Moines if you're in Montana since its not really on the way to anything.
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:18 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Would definitely agree that here in NJ theres a solid amount of state pride. Seems to be the only one in the NE that does, since NY is swallowed up by the city, and the New England states more-so pride themselves on being from "New England", not necessarily the individual states.
I would be tempted to say the most populous areas of South Jersey are too connected to Philadelphia to have much state pride, but this topic come up recently on this forum. The question concerned a comparison of the Pennsylvania suburbs of Philadelphia versus the NJ ones and which areas have more Philly-cred, as it were. One cogent point was made that a native of the PA suburbs might be described as a "Philadelphian" in the national media, but never a South Jersey native. It doesn't matter if culture is the exact same. So obviously, state lines matter.

Then, one must also consider the distinctive elements of NJ that are truly shared among the entire state. I think of diners and the Shore. Of course, the Shore culture is regional in nature in the Philadelphia area; after all, in many of the South Jersey shore towns, you will likely count more Pennsylvania license plates on cars than NJ ones. It is customary in Philadelphia to down down the Shore in summer. But it still stands that the Shore is a NJ thing, and obviously shared between South Jersey and North Jersey.

Actually, it seems to me NJ has a lot of pride compared to Pennsylvania. Southeastern Pennsylvania, at least. Never heard of "Pennsylvania pride," but "Jersey pride" is certainly conceivable. The identity of people there tends to focus more heavily on the region and on the city of Philadelphia itself than the state as a whole. I'm not sure about western Pennsylvania because I am not familiar with it, so maybe it's different for them.
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Oh, God yes. All of Minnesota. People in Rochester, MN think it's got more going on than Des Moines, which is comical if you've ever spent any time in the two towns.

It would be like someone from Wichita Falls ****ting on Tulsa.
I go to Rochester 2 x a year. Rochester has a lot of money and the downtown is real dressed up for a town it's size and a lot of artsy stuff plus the high abundance of magnificent housing stock.

Doesn't really have the energy that a place like Des Moines would have.

But I promise you that people in Wichita Falls would be dead serious that it was a better place than Tulsa..........cuz Wichita Falls is Texas.
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:18 PM
 
Location: IN
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I go to Rochester 2 x a year. Rochester has a lot of money and the downtown is real dressed up for a town it's size and a lot of artsy stuff plus the high abundance of magnificent housing stock.

Doesn't really have the energy that a place like Des Moines would have.

But I promise you that people in Wichita Falls would be dead serious that it was a better place than Tulsa..........cuz Wichita Falls is Texas.
Rochester certainly has a well above average economy due to Mayo Clinic and IBM along with other employers. The median household income is well above that of Polk County, IA (Des Moines). Obviously, Rochester is a smaller metro area than Des Moines but punches well above its weight compared to the majority of peer cities its size.
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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Rochester certainly has a well above average economy due to Mayo Clinic and IBM along with other employers. The median household income is well above that of Polk County, IA (Des Moines). Obviously, Rochester is a smaller metro area than Des Moines but punches well above its weight compared to the majority of peer cities its size.
Metro Des Moines is also pretty well off compared to the nation in general. It looks like the highest income level in the area is not in Polk, but in Dallas County to the west. If the boundaries were a little further west, Polk would include more of the affluent neighborhoods and thus have its statistical profile appear stronger.

I think Minnesota and Iowa may have a bit more affinity for some of their remaining neighbors rather than each other as they have no shared metropolitan areas. Minnesota has more obvious links with Wisconsin and North Dakota in particular, and Iowa with Illinois and Nebraska.

Regarding Wichita Falls ... Lawton would be the city in Oklahoma that is more of its peer. Definitely not Tulsa.
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