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Old 12-06-2018, 02:05 PM
 
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I dont know Mutiny.... it seems to go beyond the superficial layer of change and designation. I sense a lot of pride and insecurity around the loss of the "South"..
Of course. Because the South has historically been defined according to its rural character and culture, rapid urbanization within the region itself is seen as a loss of sorts, and when it occurs on the edges of the region and pulls Southern cities into the orbits of adjoining regions, the sense of loss is that much greater. Think about it from the perspective of an educated, middle-class Southerner in the heart of the region: what does it mean when the South seems to have to cede its most diverse, affluent metropolitan areas to other regions?
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Naples Island
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If you review the below-referenced color-coded map of the largest participating Protestant Christian group by U.S. county, then you will observe that the leading Protestant denomination in nearly every Virginia county south of the Washington, DC metropolitan area is Southern Baptist Convention, save a handful of counties in the Appalachian Plateau plus the two counties located on the Delmarva Peninsula. The relatively few outlier counties in Virginia, which are mostly located in peripheral areas of the state, reported "Methodist" as the group with the largest number of adherents, consistent with the rest of the Mid-Atlantic (i.e., DE, MD, NJ, NY and PA).

Source: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/502292164671565470/

In my opinion, this statistic is a strong indicator that present-day Virginia is still more closely aligned with the South as opposed to the Mid-Atlantic, despite the popular perception that Virginia is now a Mid-Atlantic state.
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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Of course. Because the South has historically been defined according to its rural character and culture, rapid urbanization within the region itself is seen as a loss of sorts, and when it occurs on the edges of the region and pulls Southern cities into the orbits of adjoining regions, the sense of loss is that much greater. Think about it from the perspective of an educated, middle-class Southerner in the heart of the region: what does it mean when the South seems to have to cede its most diverse, affluent metropolitan areas to other regions?
that it has alot of transplants?
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:11 PM
 
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Do you think that northern (Chicago, NYC, Philly..etc) cities became more southern during the great migration? More recently, do you think south Central PA is more southern due to so many people from Baltimore moving there?
I wasn't alive during the great migration and wasn't in those cities to really know. Also, I don't think of Baltimore as Southern so no.
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Gotdamn I'm bored with this topic. Here's to another 12 times debating this in 2019!
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:40 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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I wasn't alive during the great migration and wasn't in those cities to really know. Also, I don't think of Baltimore as Southern so no.
Baltimore is southern. You didn't have to be there, just use logic to determine the answer. If the south today is less southern because of northerners moving here, then it would be logical that the north become more southern during the great migration.
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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Baltimore is southern. You didn't have to be there, just use logic to determine the answer. If the south today is less southern because of northerners moving here, then it would be logical that the north become more southern during the great migration.
I don't know... like I said, I wasn't there. Did America become more African because of slavery? Did California become heavily Asian influenced because of it's Asian influx?

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Old 12-06-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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I don't know... like I said, I wasn't there. Did America become more African because of slavery? Did California become heavily Asian influenced because of it's Asian influx?

So you can't answer any question if you weren't there.... Gotcha
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:01 PM
 
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So you can't answer any question if you weren't there.... Gotcha
Yes that is correct
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Nope, it's just almost always a Southerner stating a state or region is Southern or not and others stating otherwise. It's rarely the reverse and very one-sided.
LOL you just gave an example of "reverse."
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