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Old 12-06-2018, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Old 12-07-2018, 12:26 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Never heard of NC being mid-Atlantic until reading these forums. Maybe an unpopular opinion, but NC doesn't feel that much different than SC in culture to me. Both being quite southern. Virginia has always been across of southern and mid-Atlantic cultures in my mind.
NC is the first state on the east coast going south to be 100 percent southern at least for now. I'm kinda surprised how VA is started to be lumped with the Mid-Atlantic in recent years. When i was growing up I thought VA was fully southern. I knew DC was considered northern but VA was the first state coming from the northeast to say "going down south". Many of my friends here in NC who moved from elsewhere don't think of VA as a southern state. VA doesn't really feel all that different from NC to me outside of the DC suburbs. When did people start saying VA isn't southern because most of VA feels just as country as NC. The only way NC will become in southern is if the Hispanic population dominates the state since NC has one of the highest growing Hispanic populations in the US.
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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It doesn't matter what you call yourself. You're a southerner.

Plus, how do you know what other people if you aren't there around everybody all the time??
Your opinion of someone else doesn't trump a person's opinion of their own self.
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:16 AM
 
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So, just glancing at this thread, (not reading all the posts, as it doesn't really matter) it appears that being considered a part of the South is not what people want, right? I guess it's not a good thing? Or, are some people just delusional, in thinking differently than geography dictates? Isn't the Mid-Atlantic kind of "vague", and people are clamoring to be a part of that rather than be a part of the, apparently, "dreaded" South?

People must need a real problem to worry about. There are plenty.
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Old 12-07-2018, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Williamsburg, VA
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So, just glancing at this thread, (not reading all the posts, as it doesn't really matter) it appears that being considered a part of the South is not what people want, right? I guess it's not a good thing?

Oy! This reminds me of that old episode of Seinfeld, when someone informs Jerry that he's gay and he replies that he isn't, but then people act insulted so he has to adds "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Or, for another example, it's like someone from out of town informing me that a local school that we call a junior high should be called a middle school. There's nothing better about being a middle school or a junior high, it's just that if you call it one thing you don't like being told to start calling it something else. Especially for dopey reasons.

And yes, the reasons given in this thread strike me as pretty lame reasons. It seems weird to label my state based on something that happened well over a hundred years ago, or because of the name of a street, because of some religious denomination, or so that we can "belong" with one group of states or another.

Seriously, who cares about these things? Especially the street name, LOL I've known people who live on Lee Streets in Phoenix, San Francisco, and Cleveland. Having a Lee Street doesn't make those places southern states.

It's just a geographic identifier. FWIW, I was told we use it mostly because being in the middle of the Atlantic states meant we didn't get the hurricanes of the southern Atlantic states or the blizzards of the more northern Atlantic states. End of story. That's what I was taught 50+ years ago, so that's what I call it. And if anyone is interested, I was raised to call our region Tidewater Virginia, or sometimes Coastal Virginia (although there are other opinions on that, as well). It's as simple and as boring as that.



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People must need a real problem to worry about. There are plenty.

Amen, and let me add that I'm done with the topic. I explained my reasons, don't need to do it over and over. If you guys wish to beat the poor horse in 20 more threads, do so without me.

But, FWIW it looks like we have answer the OP's question "Can people please stop calling NC and VA "Mid-Atlantic" states". Apparently, the answer is "Nope."

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Old 12-07-2018, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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So, just glancing at this thread, (not reading all the posts, as it doesn't really matter) it appears that being considered a part of the South is not what people want, right? I guess it's not a good thing? Or, are some people just delusional, in thinking differently than geography dictates? Isn't the Mid-Atlantic kind of "vague", and people are clamoring to be a part of that rather than be a part of the, apparently, "dreaded" South?

People must need a real problem to worry about. There are plenty.
Oh, please. Where do you get the idea that people think the South isn't desirable within this thread?

You're from way out in the Midwest, so it isn't a surprise you're confused about what exactly is the Mid-Atlantic...
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Old 12-07-2018, 07:54 AM
 
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That's merely a statement of fact. The implications of the question I asked go a bit deeper though.
I'm not sure... I only care about what DC and potentially other specific areas that I've lived in are. I've never gone across the border/line to care what people think of, let's say for example NC which is the state below here. I might have an opinion but they could be whatever they want and I don't feel any sense of loss or regret if they were a different grouping. I've also never been the type to complain about what a place has become etc.. and how it used to be so much better. I'm of the mindset that things will change and if I don't like it, I, myself can choose to relocate. But... I guess heritage or identifiable markers of what once was is just very important for some.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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Oh, please. Where do you get the idea that people think the South isn't desirable within this thread?

You're from way out in the Midwest, so it isn't a surprise you're confused about what exactly is the Mid-Atlantic...

I'm in the Great Lakes Region, and I can read a map, that clarifies different regions. Your attempt at (whatever it is you're attempting) "way out in the Midwest" has failed.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:32 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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NC is really in no way, shape, or form a Mid-Atlantic state, and Virginia is even a bit of a stretch outside of the most northern part of it, NoVa. It seems like there are a bunch of people who are unwilling to recognize both of these states as Southern, so they call them Mid-Atlantic.
What did you expect with all the New York and New Jersey expats moving there? They're embarrassed to live in the South so they just change the definition.

Same thing has happened in Maryland with people who move here denying its Southern roots and insisting it's actually a Northeastern state like Massachusetts or New Jersey.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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No one in NC considered themselves anything besides Southern or maybe East Coast (if necessary). Virginia is interesting because in the last decade or so it has become more and more aligned with the Mid-Atlantic despite being the foundation of Southern and American culture during the colonial period into much of the post-independence history of the US. I know people who are not from the south who says they don't feel VA is southern which says a lot about how Virginia is moving away from its geographic culture much like Flordia did in the 2nd half of the 20th ceuntry. Part of the reason why NC is still seen as southern in the eyes of America is that we still align ourselves with the south, sweet tea is served statewide, all of our major cities perverse southern culture while still invite transplants, and saying y'all is acceptable in a professional setting.
The vast majority of Virginia geographically is culturally Southern. The catch with Virginia is that virtually everyone in the state is in NOVA, Richmond, or the Tidewater. The Tidewater has such a heavy military presence it doesn't really have a unique culture. NOVA is also a mixing pot. Richmond still has some Southern culture, but it was never Deep South.
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