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If there ever was a second CSA, the political crap preceding such a thing would be enough to drive anyone crazy. I would say that such a thing would tear states apart. VA, NC, FL, and TN would not join. All have been filled up to capacity with so many transplants its hard to tell what they would think. I think Texas, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi, and probably Arkansas and Louisiana would join.
Well if you're going to use the transplants thing as to why states would join or not, I would switch Tennessee with Texas in the not join spot. Basically because people from all over the country and world are flocking there rapidly. Just like VA ,NC, and FL, Texas has received many if not more transplants than all three of those states and it is not slowing down.
Well if you're going to use the transplants thing as to why states would join or not, I would switch Tennessee with Texas in the not join spot. Basically because people from all over the country and world are flocking there rapidly. Just like VA ,NC, and FL, Texas has received many if not more transplants than all three of those states and it is not slowing down.
No doubt that, unlike in 1861, Texas would be divided due to the large numbers of northern (and quite possibly, foreign) in the last several decades. Still, IMHO Texas would go with a new Southern Confederacy (if there ever is one), even if not immediately. Still, as you said in an earlier post though, the big cities would be especially volatile because of changing demographics.
Just another thought here. If there were every to be another Southern secession movement, I doubt seriously it would ever arise over this or that political issue or question. Rather, it would probably come about only after a major catastophe which hit the country (such as a complete financial collapse or some such).
I want to be very careful how I say this. And also, that there is no way that I can get all the thoughts in, in one post.
As a starter though...
I am PROUD to be a Texan and a Southerner. God knows how I am. I fill up with Love and Pride over the sight of the Lone Star Flag and the Confederate Battle Flag. I get chill-bumps when I hear Dixie. Further, as a "layman" of "Civil War" studies, I am firmly convinced that the South had the best constitutional arguments on its/our side.
And to take it a step beyond? If -- god forbid -- something divided the United States again -- then my first loyalty is to my home state and my region. Texas and the Southland. It is where I was born, where my people are, where all I am comfortable with, cherish, feel strongly about... and love, are.
Oh man...let me try and get back on topic here...gimme a sec...!
I consider myself a dedicated southerner. I really respect and applaud the comments from the texas gentleman. But, what the hell does this topic have to do with city-data? Of course the south will not succeed again, duh! I think next time, the south will just build a big old fence around the perimeter of the "southern states" and require visas and background checks before allowing entry. Of course the south could take over the country now that the south is more populated than other regions of the country and tax the north at an incredible rate and give them nothing in return so they would succeed themselves. Opps! that is why the south succeeded in the first place. Taxation without representation. Hell, I feel that about our own government, but that is another topic. Here I am white, southern, and middle-class. Man, I'm screwed!
LOL. Sure wish all them Texas boys had known that before they went out and did all that fightin' back in 1861
But seriously. Whatever. Your opinion. Some share it, some don't. Bottom line is that it really depends on the definition and criteria and who is doing the defining (just like with certain other states as well). Definitions of the South range from only 4 or 5 states by some all the way to 16 according to the Census Bureau's map. The opening part of this article with all its maps and such illustrate this pretty well.
Depends on who you ask. A lot of people in Dallas dislike Dallas being called "Southern"; rather, they prefer "Southwestern"...
I know we are getting a bit off topic here, but I always thought this survey (actually, the "average result" of 14 seperate surveys over a period of 7 years) was very interesting. The poll was the "Southern Focus Poll" out of the UNC and it attempted to define the South by where a majority of people SAID they lived in the South and considered themselves Southerners:
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Percent who say their community is in the South (percentage base in parentheses)
West Virginia 25 (84) Maryland 19 (192) Missouri 15 Delaware 12 (25) D.C. 12 (16)
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Something additionally noteworthy, is that in all the states, even in the Deep South, there is a "gap" between the percentage of respondents who say they live in the South and consider themselves Southerners. I imagine a lot of it is the result of outside migration over the years. It is widest in Florida (not surpisingly), but very noteable in Virginia and to a slightly lesser extent, Texas as well. But even in Alabama and Mississippi there is around a 10% chasm!
Oh well, just a little something in the for-what-its-worth department!
I know we are getting a bit off topic here, but I always thought this survey (actually, the "average result" of 14 seperate surveys over a period of 7 years) was very interesting. The poll was the "Southern Focus Poll" out of the UNC and it attempted to define the South by where a majority of people SAID they lived in the South and considered themselves Southerners:
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Percent who say their community is in the South (percentage base in parentheses)
West Virginia 25 (84) Maryland 19 (192) Missouri 15 Delaware 12 (25) D.C. 12 (16)
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Something additionally noteworthy, is that in all the states, even in the Deep South, there is a "gap" between the percentage of respondents who say they live in the South and consider themselves Southerners. I imagine a lot of it is the result of outside migration over the years. It is widest in Florida (not surpisingly), but very noteable in Virginia and to a slightly lesser extent, Texas as well. But even in Alabama and Mississippi there is around a 10% chasm!
Oh well, just a little something in the for-what-its-worth department!
That's probably one of the best indicators of the effects of the migration. Looks like a good 15-25% of each state's population is probably transplants.
Also its called the war of northern aggression, nothing civil about attacking people because of there way of life.
The war was not started because of your way of life. It was started because a divided nation, or another nation, would not have been good for the either side.
I really don't know who convinced some people here, that most Kentucky citizens desired to be part of the CSA, but that is pure fantasy. In my college days, I was forced to read writings of southern authors in the civil war period. They were unanimous in their anger at Ky.'s people, for favoring the Union over the Confederacy. In fact, Governor Beriah S. Magoffin was jailed by his own police detachment, for publicly suggesting a mere vote on secession. Our papers here were filled with support for his arrest-go read them- and confederate support was negligible. As for that little group of dimwits who declared themselves to be the government of the 'Confederate State of Ky.', I remember laughing about how the Union army had to rescue them from a sizeable group of their bluegrass state neighbors, who were planning to lynch them. Oh yes, its true, and well documented. Finally, no, we are not likely to join a new secessionist movement, since both the demographics and root causes have changed so utterly, as to render a reexamination of our statehood impossible.
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