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Old 01-10-2019, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade View Post
If your surprised a city in MA has a lot of immigrants thatís a you thing. Maybe itís more surprising than I realize. Lowell has many Cambodians but also many Dominicans and Ghanaians.

The only cities with immigrant populations that would surprise me would be in the Midwest upper south and gulf coast.
Well, that's a YOU thing, then Check out the vast numbers of African immigrants in cities like Chicago, Minneapolis, and Houston. Or the SE Asian immigrants in St. Paul, Wausau, WI, and NOLA. Or the Bosnians in St. Louis...
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:00 PM
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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Originally Posted by allenk893 View Post
Dearborn Michigan is scary.
Why? I didn’t feel unsafe at all there. And the Middle Eastern food is actually really good.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:03 PM
Location: Cbus
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Originally Posted by allenk893 View Post
Dearborn Michigan is scary.
This is ignorant. There are plenty of Arab/Arab-American people there are who kind and well-adjusted to life in our country.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:23 PM
Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by Buckeye614 View Post
This is ignorant. There are plenty of Arab/Arab-American people there are who kind and well-adjusted to life in our country.
I concur. While we’re on this subject, after Detroit (Dearborn), San Diego (El Cajon), has the highest Chaldean population in the country. I went to school in one, and was raised and currently live in the other. I have only the nicest things to say about them, unlike some here. Wearing my Padre hat in a party store in Detroit, or my Michigan sweatshirt in a liquor store in San Diego, always equals an instant conversation with the owners/workers.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by KathrynAragon View Post
Dayton OH is also very diverse and filled with immigrants and immigrant communities from all over the world. Overall, the diversity of the larger OH cities really surprised me - in a good way. I like Ohio cities for the most part. Heck, I like Ohio.
Ohio's big cities are a lot more diverse than what most people probably think, even among the "newer wave" of immigrants ... Hispanics and Asians, there is growth, and in some cases substantial. It's the bleeding of the white population, and to a smaller degree the black population, the Big 6 Ohio cities have suffered for much of the past 60 years where most people assume either the losses are all linear, or it means that immigrants are not moving to those places. Though, Dayton still seems far behind the other five (Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Akron and Toledo) in recovering in the core city ... Dayton does have suburbs that are rapidly diversifying and seeing immigration growth, but all these cities also have similar suburbs in that regard.

I was calculating school enrollment figures for those city's districts since the Ohio Department of Education does a good job of tracking demographics and charts five-year trends in its state report cards. It's a very interesting mix (with Dayton, IMO, being the exception ... bringing up the rear in most categories.

Here are some numbers:

Total population change from 2014-2018 (Total)
1. Cincinnati: 4,395 (34,816)
2. Toledo: 1,746 (23,082)
3. Cleveland: 679 (38,645)
4. Columbus: 462 (50,050)
5. Akron: -11 (21,253)
6. Dayton: -328 (13,221)

Look at Cincinnati adding nearly 1,000 students per year over the past five year. Toledo also is a shocker. Even Cleveland has added more than Columbus (though a lot of city of Columbus' population are in suburban school districts, which shows a bit that Columbus' core isn't growing quite as fast as the overall numbers may appear on the outside). Akron is nearly at the break even point. Whie Dayton is closer to "bottoming out," it still lags behind.

Asian population change (Total/Percent)
1. Akron: 617 (1,788/8.41%)
2. Columbus: 475 (1,984/3.96%)
3. Cincinnati: 126 (522/1.50%)
4. Cleveland: 70 (487/1.26%)
5. Dayton: 12 (66/0.50%)
6. Toledo: 8 (115/0.50%)

This is Akron's SE Asian community I alluded to earlier. That number is sure to continue to rise for the foreseeable future. No surprise that Columbus, even at the core city level, is also up there as the Asian population in Central Ohio is exploding.

Hispanic population change (Total/Percent)
1. Columbus: 1,519 (5,911/11.81%)
2. Cincinnati: 880 (2,036/5.85%)
3. Cleveland: 541 (6,163/15.95%)
4. Toledo: 128 (2,549/11.04%)
5. Akron: 66 (805/3.79%)
6. Dayton: 52 (573/4.33%)

Again, no surprise Columbus is that high, Central Ohio's Hispanic population also is booming. Cincinnati is a surprise as historically it has never had much in Hispanic population, but it's growing substantially at the city level and that has stretched into some of its northern burbs). Cleveland and Toledo, the two cities with historical hispanic populations, also continue to steadily grow. Akron and Dayton are lagging behind not only the other big urban districts, but most of the state. It's a bit of surprise that neither city have become more of a destination for Hispanics, especially since some older, smaller industrial towns near each (Middletown, Hamilton, New Philadelphia, Dover, Massillon, Canton, etc.) are seeing pretty sharp increases.

Black population change (Total/Percent)
1. Cincinnati: 2,527 (21,802/62.62%)
2. Toledo: 1,385 (10,140/43.93%)
3. Akron: 146 (9,824/46.22%)
4. Dayton: -155 (8,613/65.15%)
5. Cleveland: -293 (24,888/64.40%)
6. Columbus: -740 (17,277/54.50%)

Again, Cincinnati and Toledo are surprises since to my knowledge neither city is an immigrant/refugee hub for Africans, so maybe native blacks are moving back into each city. Columbus is another huge surprise because it absolutely is an immigrant hub from Somolia, and the epicenter of that community is in the Columbus City Schools' boundary. But still it has seen the largest decrease. The others are about what I expected.

Multi-racial change (Total/Percent)
1. Columbus: 697 (3,411/6.82%)
2. Toledo: 655 (2,403/10.41%)
3. Cincinnati: 414 (2,183/6.27%)
4. Akron: 199 (1,771/8.33%)
5. Cleveland: -50 (985/2.55%)
6. Dayton: -93 (590/4.46%)

The biggest surprise to me was Cleveland, because being from there, it's hard to believe just 2.55 percent of its students are multi-racial since historically it (and Toledo) are the only ones that have a longstanding black/white/hispanic population that dates back 60-70 years (almost 100 in Cleveland's case). The only thing I can think is that due to Cleveland's Hispanic population being Puerto Rican dominated (and now a growing, 5,000-plus Dominican population) the district may be lumping "mixed" kids in with other groups ... IE, black/Puerto Rican are listed as black; Puerto Rican/White are listed as Hispanic or even white; black/white are listed as Hispanic. Toledo, which does have the highest percent overall is not a real shock and since Toledo's hispanic population is like 80 percent Mexican, it may be easier to differentiate between who is multi-racial and who isn't. But that's just my theory.

White change (Total/Percent)
1. Cincinnati: 447 (8,236/23.66%)
2. Cleveland: 393 (6,039/15.63%)
3. Dayton: -149 (3,360/25.41%)
4. Toledo: -436 (7,851/34.01%)
5. Akron: -1,030 (7,053/33.19%)
6. Columbus: -1,513 (11,352/22.68%)

Cincinnati and Cleveland, two of the poster cities for white flight, actually lead this list, though none of them are posting big gains. Though, both Cincinnati and Cleveland are seeing major core redevelopment so maybe those gentrifiers are keeping their kids in the public schools (especially since both cities have mostly gone away with traditional high schools and are offering more specialized programs). Like the decrease in black population, it's also a shock to see Columbus on the bottom here. Columbus, which has had a whiter historical core than Cleveland and Cincinnati, looks like it could be experiencing a newer wave of white flight. ... Same with Akron, which is behind in specializing its high school options and instead mainly relies on the traditional high school model (though LeBron's iPromise School is a step in the 21st century).

Sorry if this is veering away from immigrants, but thought it was interesting enough to post here, especially because it does show how Ohio's largest city school districts are changing due, in some degree, due to immigration patterns.
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