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Old 01-02-2019, 01:34 PM
 
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In a different type of case, Massachusetts dissolved their county governments around 20 years ago or so



Boston would only get Chelsea, Winthrop and Revere maybe 120,000 people
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:20 PM
 
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I know SF is a city-county, but wasn't sure the history. Just looked. Wiki says the following:
"San Francisco—officially known as the City and County of San Francisco—is a consolidated city-county, a status it has held since the 1856 secession of what is now San Mateo County."
I'm assuming that means that San Francisco County once used to extend much further south down the Peninsula until San Mateo seceded and formed its county.

As with a lot of these, they're older and it's hard to know what benefits and downfalls there were.

I know in Louisville, the city likes it and the suburbs don't. For obvious reason. The city has benefited from a stronger tax base, better schools, etc. The suburbs think they give too much money to county government.

I'm all for consolidations of city/county governments, and even other cities/counties consolidating. When cities and counties were established decades or centuries ago, nobody could have predicted where they'd end up today. It's simply unjust that white flight occurred and left urban city centers to rot just because white people didn't want to live with minorities. For example, here in NJ, it's crazy to me that Essex County has both Newark and Montclair.

And in the case of Louisville/Jefferson County, the wealthy and white suburban communities of Jefferson County only exist because the urban job centers in Louisville city.

In the case of STL city and county, and same with Baltimore city and county, the city provides the jobs, name recognition, importance, cultural institutions, etc. The county is just where the rich white people moved to "escape" from black people. If it weren't for the big cities, the counties would have no economy. They use the cities for their advantage, steal its resources, and funnel a large portion of it back into the suburban county. That's not right. If the counties helped pay for city schools and city transportation projects and city police departments, they'd be more equal...probably...hopefully.
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:28 PM
 
Location: The City
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Are NYC and Atlanta the only two that are multiple counties (NYC in 5 counties and Atlanta in 2) though NYC has 5 self contained counties I believe which we call boroughs
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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Are NYC and Atlanta the only two that are multiple counties (NYC in 5 counties and Atlanta in 2) though NYC has 5 self contained counties I believe which we call boroughs
There are some weirdly shaped cities in middle America that stretch just slightly into suburban counties I think. Columbus OH is mostly Franklin County, but has small areas in Delaware, Pickaway and Fairfield. I'm sure there others.
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Are NYC and Atlanta the only two that are multiple counties (NYC in 5 counties and Atlanta in 2) though NYC has 5 self contained counties I believe which we call boroughs
Both Dallas and Houston are in multiple counties as well (though the vast majority are in Dallas and Harris counties respectively).

Austin is also partly in Hays and Williamson counties, even though most of it is in Travis County
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Old 01-02-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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Are NYC and Atlanta the only two that are multiple counties (NYC in 5 counties and Atlanta in 2) though NYC has 5 self contained counties I believe which we call boroughs
Parts of cities such as Columbus OH and Oklahoma City actually are in multiple counties as well. I believe there are a few others as well.
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Old 01-02-2019, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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There's no way Missouri's horrible right-wing and regressive state government would allow this.

They hate Saint Louis with a passion and there's not a chance they would do something that benefits the city.
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Old 01-02-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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There's no way Missouri's horrible right-wing and regressive state government would allow this.

They hate Saint Louis with a passion and there's not a chance they would do something that benefits the city.
We saw what they did when they rescinded St Louis and Kansas City's higher minimum wages....
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Old 01-02-2019, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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The city and county of Honolulu are one and the same, extending over the entirety of Oahu Island.
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Old 01-02-2019, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Middle Mississippi Valley
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Kansas City is in 3 counties.... By the way the guy that may be partially sponsoring the bill to consolidate both St.Louis County and City is a huge repub donor so he might have some leverage in getting the state to vote yes so anything is possible however i don't see county residents voting yes on this because they feel they'll be bailing out the city for many purpose's... I look at residents in the county to be very hypocritical.. They want their cake and eat it too... Reap all the benefits the city has to offer but don't want nothing to do with the city...Pretty much are users

Im a St.Louis County resident but work in the city.. Im all for merger/consolidation the time is now...
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