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Old 01-05-2019, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Yes, I'd go with this for a line to demarcate "the deep south" in Texas...........

Hugo, OK- Paris, Tx- Sulpher Springs- Canton- Athens- Palestine- Crockett- Huntsville- and down into the Houston metro being the last town that has any deep south element in Texas. Obviously Houston is an international city but has some deep south roots.

West of that line in Texas is more of the "Frontier South" that was described by a poster previously. The part of Texas that was settled more post civil war and wasn't established so much antebellum.

For instance, Dallas was founded pre civil war but it really didn't start booming until after the war. And there is a lot of argument about it being deep south. I say it fits better with the part of Texas west of the line previously described but does have a stronger southern presence than points west.
I can agree that the Deep South demarcation can get down to the northern areas of Houston metro. Not really the entire metro and most of the city. But the northern fringes and parts of the suburbs, I can see that. Dallas I do agree that itís not the Deep South.

 
Old 01-05-2019, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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See attached. Is this a good (rough) map of the South-- Upper and Deep. Upper in orange and Deep in red.
Not really.
 
Old 01-05-2019, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Not really.
What are your personal complaints with it?
 
Old 01-05-2019, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Williamsburg, VA
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The only part of Virginia I'd include would be the southwest. You could probably make the border somewhere south of Richmond and west of New Kent. Definitely not the tidewater region. Not sure I'd include as much of Texas or Oklahoma as you have, but I'll leave that to residents of those state to say.

Curious what the purpose of this map is. Maybe I could see a reason for those boundaries if I knew how the map will be used.
 
Old 01-05-2019, 04:15 PM
 
Location: North Caroline
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The only part of Virginia I'd include would be the southwest. You could probably make the border somewhere south of Richmond and west of New Kent. Definitely not the tidewater region. Not sure I'd include as much of Texas or Oklahoma as you have, but I'll leave that to residents of those state to say.

Curious what the purpose of this map is. Maybe I could see a reason for those boundaries if I knew how the map will be used.
LOL the only part of Virginia that is Southern is the southwest? And since when was Petersburg/Danville/all the other cities "South of Richmond and west of New Kent" "southwest" Virginia?
 
Old 01-05-2019, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Williamsburg, VA
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LOL the only part of Virginia that is Southern is the southwest? And since when was Petersburg/Danville/all the other cities "South of Richmond and west of New Kent" "southwest" Virginia?

Fair enough, SW doesn't really fit either. I probably should have just said "South of Richmond and west of New Kent." I was just trying to differentiate from the towns east of New Kent east, most of which aren't really that "southern" these days as more and more retirees from the NE move in.
 
Old 01-05-2019, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Fair enough, SW doesn't really fit either. I probably should have just said "South of Richmond and west of New Kent." I was just trying to differentiate from the towns east of New Kent east, most of which aren't really that "southern" these days as more and more retirees from the NE move in.
Just because northerners live there doesn't change where it is.
 
Old 01-05-2019, 08:37 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Why do people feel the need to classify the south into two areas today? I think that is in the past.
 
Old 01-05-2019, 09:27 PM
 
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Why do people feel the need to classify the south into two areas today? I think that is in the past.
Gentrification maybe? I'm not a Southerner but I find it funny how people move to the South and then try to claim it's not Southern anymore, as if it magically moved north of the Mason Dixon line, LOL. Virginia and Florida come to mind first.
 
Old 01-05-2019, 09:29 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Gentrification maybe? I'm not a Southerner but I find it funny how people move to the South and then try to claim it's not Southern anymore, as if it magically moved north of the Mason Dixon line, LOL. Virginia and Florida come to mind first.
That's what I've been saying about MD too.
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