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Old 09-15-2019, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Think its all political with you by far. But what a post. Clearly aimed at demeaning .... three iconic cities.
the aim may definitely be in demeaning. The action of doing so is actually and ironically very complimentary, the reverse of what one's stated opinion. You and I both know we can find numerous things to be critical about New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles; no place as no person is immune from that.

The problem is that when you say "New York is a dump", "Chicago is going down the tubes", "Los Angeles is where the dregs of society go to live on the streets", things like that...you are not putting down those cities but in fact show others that you are obsessed with them, that you are driven to put them down. And when you say such things, you are not telling anything about those cities but you are telling an awful lot about yourself. Keeping in mind that "There is no greater S**thole in the world than _______, a disgusting mix of crime, poverty, filth, decline and 40 other things I did not mention", you can fill in the blank with any-city-of-your-choice and you're still going to come out as a jerk.

"There is no such thing as bad publicity" has a definite ring of truth to it. Newyorkphobes, Chicagophobes, and Losangelesphobes put those three cities at the forefront.

If you wish to know which people anywhere on the board are most impressed by a city, look at the trolls. Find the ones that are harping on a particular way, who seem almost obsessed with it. These guys are jealous and they make it very obvious. They give endless exposure to cities they claim to dislike and have no real interest in.
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Old 09-15-2019, 09:24 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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I thought this was an interesting take....
Who can afford to live there anymore?
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Old 09-16-2019, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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I thought this was an interesting take....
Actually, we really don't know that they are shrinking. The declines are based on estimates, not decennial census counts, so the question in the article is premature. We'll find out for sure in the next few years.
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Old 09-16-2019, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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TLDR;

1. Immigration has declined 30% in the last five years, and no longer counteracts domestic outflow as it has for the past couple of decades.

2. Home prices.

3. Accelerating outflow of African Americans to the South.
There is little evidence to suggest AAs are moving in significant numbers to the South, especially from the 3 cities in question. If they're moving in large numbers anywhere, it's just out of the city to the greater metro.
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Old 09-16-2019, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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"In this Trump area"

That's not entirely true since it was going down before he got into office. And other cities like Houston, DFW, Atlanta, etc., have seen upticks in international immigration. Why go to all the way to Chicago when you can just stop in Dallas or Houston and be closer to family in the home country? I think this is the main reason why places like LA, NYC, and Chi have seen less international immigrants.
Except that Mexican immigrant totals in the US have been falling since the mid-2000s, and most recent from Latin America are also not from Mexico, so your "close to home country" statement is just not true.
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Old 09-17-2019, 09:21 AM
 
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There is little evidence to suggest AAs are moving in significant numbers to the South, especially from the 3 cities in question. If they're moving in large numbers anywhere, it's just out of the city to the greater metro.
There is substantial evidence actually. Just a Google search away.
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Old 09-17-2019, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles-Houston-DFW
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Except that Mexican immigrant totals in the US have been falling since the mid-2000s, and most recent from Latin America are also not from Mexico, so your "close to home country" statement is just not true.
How is that statement not true when Houston, Dallas, Orlando, etc., have seen upticks in international immigration while other places like Chicago have dropped? Just because overall immigration totals for Mexico have dropped, which I said in the post you quoted, doesn't mean other cities can't see an increase in immigration numbers from there. It just means other cities (like Chicago) have dropped.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Greater Boston (Formerly Orlando and New York)
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If Chicago were "in decline", it sure has found a super charged way of being so...the growth downtown and adjacent areas is off the charts. Our fears are not the lack of development; it is overdevelopment. Crime exists everywhere. Chicago is not a city high in crime or high in murder; yes, the raw numbers are high (highest actually) due to the large size of the city, but the rate is not anywhere near among the highest.

You lose a lot of credibility when you write off New York as a dump and Chicago being in decline. And let me relate that to those raw numbers of murders that are #1 in the nation. What makes us stand out in this regard is because of two cities, New York and Los Angeles. The two are our only megacities, both coastal and I believe each has a certain set of advantages built in that lowers the murder rate compared to other US cities.

And what vision from hell would make anyone think that Phoenix is a good alternative from Los Angeles?
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Greater Boston (Formerly Orlando and New York)
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Think its all political with you by far. But what a post. Clearly aimed at demeaning .... three iconic cities.
The question was why are people leaving? Thats the answer...
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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Cost of living, taxes, extreme left leaning politics, better opportunities elsewhere, better weather (CHI & NYC), traffic/congestion. And probably about another dozen reasons.
Agreed. And probably just a general "law of diffusion". Particles (people) naturally move from areas of high pressure to areas of low pressure, like when you let air out of a balloon. Now that's in a vacuum, but I think some of that principle applies here.
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