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Old 09-14-2019, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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That's really the answer. The New York City subway system is 24x7. Chicago only has very limited service. Enormous Los Angeles only runs 30 overnight bus routes.
24-hr service is overrated, especially now with ride share.
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Old 09-14-2019, 08:07 PM
 
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24-hr service is overrated, especially now with ride share.
Most people who rely on late-night service are lower income and transit-dependent. Believe it or not, late night service is not catered to drunk people two days of the week...
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Old 09-14-2019, 08:28 PM
 
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The limited routes will be for the partiers and with crime and the homeless population on the rise the routes will not be safe. Pittsburgh has to stop catering to the twentysomethings or the city will keep shrinking.

Well they claim it is going to be oriented towards shift workers, which does make sense. We'll see if that happens. but some shift workers do overlap with party areas, of course, because the service industry people need a way to get to and from work late night. and I imagine quite a few of them have been drinking. oh wait I don't imagine, I know

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Old 09-15-2019, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Yep thats pretty much just what I expected, although didn't know the details. Theres's got to be some other cities that have some 24 hour bus service though I think. but probably not very many.
In Philadelphia, which used to have 24/7 rapid transit service on the SEPTA system until the 1990s, "NiteOwl" buses substitute for trains from midnight to 5 a.m. (last departures from 15th Street/City Hall: 12:30 a.m.) Monday through Friday. The trains run 24 hours on the weekends.

There is also a network of 24-hour bus routes on top of this. Save for one route that connects 69th Street Terminal with Harrah's casino in Chester, all of these operate only within the city of Philadelphia.

The PATCO Lindenwold Line to South Jersey has operated 24/7 since it opened in 1969.
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Old 09-15-2019, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Most people who rely on late-night service are lower income and transit-dependent. Believe it or not, late night service is not catered to drunk people two days of the week...
I said that overnight service is overrated, not late night. Very few lower income, transit dependent need to ride between 0130 and 0430. They do, but not in any large numbers. Likely over 99% of riders travel outside those times. It would be time better spent on maintenance of rail systems. Full disclosure I do ride a regular service within those times on a regular basis.
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Old 09-15-2019, 11:49 AM
 
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I said that overnight service is overrated, not late night. Very few lower income, transit dependent need to ride between 0130 and 0430. They do, but not in any large numbers. Likely over 99% of riders travel outside those times. It would be time better spent on maintenance of rail systems. Full disclosure I do ride a regular service within those times on a regular basis.
Not only that but due to the fact that most cities have practically 0 traffic between 2-5AM the advantages to running rail vs Bus overnight is minimal considering capacity issues isnít a thing after like 10:30 unless a baseball game goes late.
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Old 09-15-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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I said that overnight service is overrated, not late night. Very few lower income, transit dependent need to ride between 0130 and 0430. They do, but not in any large numbers. Likely over 99% of riders travel outside those times. It would be time better spent on maintenance of rail systems. Full disclosure I do ride a regular service within those times on a regular basis.
Firstly, I'm referring to "late night" as 11pm-4/5am. Secondly, I'm an advocate for late night bus, not rail. Just making that clear.
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Old 09-15-2019, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Firstly, I'm referring to "late night" as 11pm-4/5am. Secondly, I'm an advocate for late night bus, not rail. Just making that clear.
I agree with you about bus and agree in general but I make a distinction between "late night" and "overnight" the latter of which is the topic of this thread. Lots of transit dependent people get off work at 11pm or maybe midnight or need to get to work at 6am, but the number of transit dependent people getting off work or getting to work at 2 or 3am is relatively very small. This is true in LA, NYC, and pretty much everywhere else that I've lived.
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Old 09-15-2019, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Not only that but due to the fact that most cities have practically 0 traffic between 2-5AM the advantages to running rail vs Bus overnight is minimal considering capacity issues isnít a thing after like 10:30 unless a baseball game goes late.
Quite a few people do get off work between 10pm and midnight, so I support late night service, but agree with the rest. I'm an early morning person and I catch the second bus of the morning on a pretty busy service. The bus is probably busier than most people would think. Late night train service between 11pm and midnight is much busier in my experience, although it's been awhile that I've experienced it.
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Old 09-15-2019, 01:45 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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There are several “owl” buses in San Francisco and Oakland when BART closes at about midnight. Like in other cities, these buses run, if I’m correct, very limited routes and come maybe once an hour in the dead of night.
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