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Old 10-05-2019, 03:59 PM
 
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Not true and look at my post above. Actually, the vast majority of those black people in those communities descend from these people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Loyalist
Very true, I initially started to reference long standing black communities in Canada. But, ultimately decided to simplify for brevity. Canada had slavery and long standing populations of loyalists and African-American refugees that have experienced mistreatment treatment. But, it was nowhere near the level of the US. In 1971, Canada's black population was only 34k. Even if that was a massive undercount, the community was less than 1% of the population. The population has grown rapidly due to growth from African and especially Caribbean immigrants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_..._Census_issues

All that aside, I think my point still stands. Canada doesn't have cities with social histories like those in the US south or even northern cities and the great migration. Most black Canadians trace their ancestors back to voluntary immigrants, that's a key difference from the US.

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Old 10-05-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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Canadian cities obviously aren't less segregated. They have tiny black populations. That's the difference.

Most Canadian non-whites are Asian, and Asians generally aren't segregated from whites, both in the U.S. and in Canada.

Also, I don't know where you were in Toronto where you felt it was very "integrated". Toronto's core, and the Yonge corridor, is quite white. The Asian/immigrant populations are mostly in the older suburbs like Scarborough, North York and the like. The small black population doesn't live near the core.
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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Canadian cities obviously aren't less segregated. They have tiny black populations. That's the difference.

Most Canadian non-whites are Asian, and Asians generally aren't segregated from whites, both in the U.S. and in Canada.

Also, I don't know where you were in Toronto where you felt it was very "integrated". Toronto's core, and the Yonge corridor, is quite white. The Asian/immigrant populations are mostly in the older suburbs like Scarborough, North York and the like. The small black population doesn't live near the core.
There are some parts of Toronto with pretty high black populations like Scarborough, Rexdale, Jane and Finch, Regent Park, Ajax, Brampton, Pickering, etc. They make up a decent 9% of the GTA.
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Old 10-05-2019, 10:18 PM
 
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Because Canadian cities do not have a history of trying (or refusing) to integrate a sudden influx of uneducated and agrarian freed slaves into their cities.

Segregation of many Amercan cities was preserved by law until the 1960s, and by custom in nearly ail cities. Even Milwaukee and Boston were segregated into the lifetimes of many Americans.

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Old 10-06-2019, 01:04 AM
 
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My sister lives in Vancouver. The dirt her house sits on is worth at least $3 million. She pays big property taxes. The owners get chased out by the unaffordable property taxes, sell to Chinese developers who scrape the house of the lot, build a new house, and sell it to rich Chinese people. Her neighborhood is now segregated with a few holdout white people. The tax on nonresident buyers slowed the appreciation rate down but Canadians largely can’t afford to live in Vancouver.
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Old 10-06-2019, 03:53 AM
 
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Canadian cities obviously aren't less segregated. They have tiny black populations. That's the difference.

Most Canadian non-whites are Asian, and Asians generally aren't segregated from whites, both in the U.S. and in Canada.

Also, I don't know where you were in Toronto where you felt it was very "integrated". Toronto's core, and the Yonge corridor, is quite white. The Asian/immigrant populations are mostly in the older suburbs like Scarborough, North York and the like. The small black population doesn't live near the core.
Toronto doesn't have a small Black Population
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Old 10-06-2019, 04:21 AM
 
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Very true, I initially started to reference long standing black communities in Canada. But, ultimately decided to simplify for brevity. Canada had slavery and long standing populations of loyalists and African-American refugees that have experienced mistreatment treatment. But, it was nowhere near the level of the US. In 1971, Canada's black population was only 34k. Even if that was a massive undercount, the community was less than 1% of the population. The population has grown rapidly due to growth from African and especially Caribbean immigrants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_..._Census_issues

All that aside, I think my point still stands. Canada doesn't have cities with social histories like those in the US south or even northern cities and the great migration. Most black Canadians trace their ancestors back to voluntary immigrants, that's a key difference from the US.
While this is fair, there has been cases of urban renewal similar to what has occurred in cities in the US. A known example from Halifax: https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia....cle/africville

Another example in Vancouver: https://www.vancouverheritagefoundat.../hogans-alley/

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia....e/hogans-alley (Jimi Hendrix's grandmother help to start a church in that neighborhood)
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:39 AM
 
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There are some parts of Toronto with pretty high black populations like Scarborough, Rexdale, Jane and Finch, Regent Park, Ajax, Brampton, Pickering, etc. They make up a decent 9% of the GTA.
The GTA is like 6-7% black, which is a tiny % of the overall population. Almost no major U.S. metros have such a small %.

The few places that are similar, like Seattle, San Diego, Portland and Phoenix, are similarly "integrated", in that there are too few blacks to lead to race-based residential segregation. But that does not mean that San Diego is more "prgressive" than, say, Cleveland, it just means San Diego never had a large black population.

Again, nonwhites in Canada are overwhelmingly Asian. Asians, both in the U.S. and Canada, are generally integrated with whites.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:40 AM
 
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Toronto doesn't have a small Black Population
Yes, it does. Toronto has a tiny black population by U.S. standards. Most large U.S. metros, especially in the Eastern half of the U.S., are at least 20-25% black. NYC, Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Philly, Atlanta, Miami, Detroit, Cleveland all have very large black populations.

Really the only major Eastern U.S. city without a big black population is Boston.
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Old 10-06-2019, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Greater Boston (Formerly Orlando and New York)
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Yes, it does. Toronto has a tiny black population by U.S. standards. Most large U.S. metros, especially in the Eastern half of the U.S., are at least 20-25% black. NYC, Chicago, DC, Baltimore, Philly, Atlanta, Miami, Detroit, Cleveland all have very large black populations.

Really the only major Eastern U.S. city without a big black population is Boston.
Boston has a large African American/Black population.
23% of the city proper is African American which equates to about 175,000 people.

Its not as large as Baltimore's, Philly's or Atlanta's .. but its very present.

Metro Boston of 4.8 million people has about 450,000 African Americans.
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