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View Poll Results: What state(s) has seen the most demographic change?
Texas 18 40.00%
Massachusetts/Rhode Island 3 6.67%
Florida 9 20.00%
California 16 35.56%
Minnesota 3 6.67%
Nevada 6 13.33%
Georgia 6 13.33%
Arizona 4 8.89%
North Carolina 10 22.22%
Other (please specify) 2 4.44%
Demographic Change has been generally equal in the US 1 2.22%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-03-2019, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Depends on where in the region too. Some places in the region that were ahead of the curve, Bridgeport: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...?cityid=908000

New Haven: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...?cityid=952000

Hartford: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...?cityid=937000

Waterbury: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...?cityid=980000

Stamford: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...?cityid=973000

Norwalk: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...?cityid=955990

New London: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...?cityid=952280

Springfield: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...cityid=2567000

Cambridge: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...cityid=2511000

Boston: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...cityid=2507000

Providence: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...cityid=4459000
Yes the cities are more diverse but still its not like NJ cities with the exception of Hartford Lawrence (MA) and Bridgeport. Its really the smaller cities like New London and Norwalk that tell a more contemporary story.

Most of the greatest change in MA is in cities with 40-90k people like Everett Stoughton Methuen Randolph Taunton etc. Other historically very white cities like Worcester and Lowell are large and diversifying very quickly.

Lowell (pop 118k) was 76.5% white in 1990 its 48.0% white in 2018. Worcester (pop. 185k) was 83.3% white in 1990 its was 53.3% white in 2018. Those are the states two other largest cities that make up the top 5 other than Boston Cambridge and Springfield. Its possible that 4 of the 5 largest cities in MA are majority minority in 2020 when in 1990 none of them was less than 59% white (Boston). The cities are also 3X more foreign born than they were back then.

The state will look very different in 20 years but not because of places like Hartford Bridgeport Boston and Cambridge-theyve sort of reached equilibrium.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:46 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Most of the significant demographic change in MA/RI i think began in the mid 2000s and CT probably sometime in the early/mid 1990s.

MA/RI is probably 25-30 years behind NY/NJ demographically. Connecticut is more like 20 years behind.

The rate of change in Southern New England has been pretty rapid but I doubt they will ever be as diverse as NY/NJ because those states continue to quickly diversify as well.
Yeah Maryland is probably the most behind demographically in the Mid-Atlantic since MD demographics has been more in line with the South up until probably the 90s. Virginia north of Fredericksburg has quickly caught up to the states north of it as it went from a red state to voting blue the past 3 election as a reflection to it's increase in minorities and transplants. North Carolina in the triangle area is quickly becoming more cosmopolitan.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:21 PM
 
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FL, NC, AZ, CA are all candidates
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I would say Virginia but the change is really in northern Virginia. Texas Asian population and its growth is heavily underrated. Could reach 2 million by the end of the 20s. Their impact is growing as well in the metro areas of Houston, DFW, and Austin.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:14 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Virginia and North Carolina because of northern transplants and immigrants. While northern transplants may not be of a different color, they have a radically different culture, lifestyle, political affiliation and mentality than native Southerners. I'd say even the aggressive driving you see in Charlotte and Atlanta today and the fast pace of living is due to northern transplants not to mention the liberal voting patterns.
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Old Yesterday, 09:55 AM
 
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Another major element of the demographic change has been the "class" changes. The deindustrialization and the high COL has pushed many blue collar/working class people out states like MA, CA. The MSAs of those states are becoming much more polarized states of "high income professionals" and then poor/working poor. For example, South Boston has transformed from working class, Irish-Catholics to upscale "generic white" yuppies who work in law, finance, tech, biotech/medicine.
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Old Yesterday, 11:07 AM
 
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Another major element of the demographic change has been the "class" changes. The deindustrialization and the high COL has pushed many blue collar/working class people out states like MA, CA. The MSAs of those states are becoming much more polarized states of "high income professionals" and then poor/working poor. For example, South Boston has transformed from working class, Irish-Catholics to upscale "generic white" yuppies who work in law, finance, tech, biotech/medicine.
I think it's more that the "working class whites" largely moved up economicallly.
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Old Yesterday, 11:42 AM
 
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I think it's more that the "working class whites" largely moved up economicallly.
I'm not sure. Class origin data isn't as easy to obtain as racial data. Sure there is some social mobility. But, by and large, parental social class is a pretty good predictor of their childrens social class in adulthood. It doesn't seem likely the children of garage collectors became computer scientists en mass.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...22103115000062

https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag.c...-mobility-myth

Plus, mass has been losing lots of people for decades. High CoL is often cited as the driving factor.
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-...t-of-us-2019-5

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Old Yesterday, 02:07 PM
 
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I never realized it but yes NY and Floridaís demographics are eerily similar. I havenít put NY up there because I really do think itís essentially the same as 1990, just less white. Same for NJ. Always been diverse and had the same image. Growth in minority populations has occurred as expected, where expected.

Florida has seemingly had a role reversal between balck and Hispanics and a huge surge in northerners. And a shift in politics toward the left pretty dramatically.
The political shift has actually been oddly glacial if you consider the increase in minority population and influx of residents from supposedly more progressive states. The fact that the state is roughly on par with Ohio politically speaks volumes about "how far it's come".
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Old Today, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Boston
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MA urban areas either become smaller wealthier white fhousehodls or larger poorer immigrants households. There are cities all over that spectrum.

Lawrence MA went from 84% non-Hispanic white and population of 63k in 1980 to 82% Latino and 14% non Hispanic white with a population of 82k today

Somerville ma went from a population of 77k and 95% white in 1980 to a population of 80k and 69% white today.

Somerville saw less diversification and this saw far less population growth than did Lawrence. Both were working class heavily white cities in 1980 but Lawrence had a much more rapid demographic change that has left it woefully impoverished, under educated and crime ridden while Somerville has become fairly wealthy, very clean and very desirable over time-Slummervillle no longer. Even still in the most desirable cities in MA the white population has gripped 26% of 38 years and that’s relatively minimal in MA. I used Lawrence and Somerville as two opposite ends of the spectrum to illustrate my point.
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