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Old 10-07-2019, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX and wherever planes fly
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LA probably has the worst (despite being second to NYC). A lot of it is quite visible. The county does a near thorough annual count and the numbers change here and there between 55,000-75,000 people. It includes all types from people living rough on the streets, people in shelters, people in cars/RVs, people on sofas, people in motels and so on.

Remember this number is for LA County (10 million population). So it is about 1/2 of 1% of the county population. LA City (4million) homeless is about over 1/2 of the county's homeless population so LA City feels like it has a bigger problem. Other counties in the Southern California region have significantly less homeless making up maybe 1/3 - 1/4 or less of 1% of the population.

For many decades LA city was the place where lowest income groups lived, especially in places like South Central LA like Watts or places like Pico Union-Westlake, NELA, Eastside communities, East SFV valley, Harbor city communities. A huge poverty class with a lot of min wage type workers, larger unemployment compared to suburbs, lots of people on welfare, high school or less education. So if you were on the skids, LA was one of the last cities you would live before you went into homelessness for whatever issue. The past 10 years or even 15+ years leading up to the recession, property prices and rents slowly crept up. This pushed a lot of people from upper income areas to middle class areas. Then middle class into lower middle, and lower income areas to working class / poor. And poor into homelessness. It was a trickling down . People who could financially move out, especially working/middle classes, they went to the Inland Empire or Palmdale or Las Vegas, Phoenix, Texan cities, etc. Gentrification happening all over, LA City specifically, because it had the lowest rents and home prices 10-20 years ago. But now it has probably some of the highest prices relative to the condition of the neighborhoods. Places like Echo Park, Koreatown, East Hollywood, West Adams, Westlake, Highland Park, Boyle Heights and others are dealing with gentrification pricing out lower incomes, making it very unaffordable everyone. It wasn't just in LA but all over LA County and LA Metropolis.

Back to the homeless. I feel that the past 10-15 years of of increased COL has forced the increase of numbers of homeless BUT also forced the visible presence of homeless. How? When the neighborhoods gentrified, people with money moved in, people from all over came to these poor neighborhoods creating an appealing area to go eat, buy, hang out, etc. While there were homeless in these areas before, little was done about it. They were left to hid in certain areas like alleys, or along freeways, in dark corners of parks, or in the hills away from the public eye. But I've noticed the past 10 years, a lot of these people were cleared out into the open. The newer and richer community knew the problem and wanted something done. When things were done, the homeless became visible in the towns main streets, sleeping in tents on side streets or parking lots very visible to the entire community. Many spread throughout LA under freeway bridges, into the riverbanks and suburban areas. Constant cleanups kept moving the homeless here and there with some returning like a few week later only to start the process again. There weren't enough homes or shelters for everyone and not everyone wanted homes or shelters to due various reasons like addiction, mental illness, criminal activity. Those who want shelter, took it. That left the streets with the most visible homeless that most people associate with homelessness, like the drug addicts, alcoholics, mentally ill.

Downtown LA about 20 years ago was a ghost town after 5pm and weekends. Hardly anyone lived there and few suburban locals went there. Most businesses opened weekends were the warehouses and swapmeet type stores that lower income groups went. The homeless were everywhere yet it wasn't talked about. Skid Row has always existed. But Downtown's renaissance over the past 20 years has brought a lot money fixing up buildings for residents and bigger businesses, lots of hotels, restaurants, mainstream retail, cafes, etc. Hipsters first moved in and didnt complain as much and dealt with big city issues. Then the yuppies and then suburbanites moved in and then rich buying $1M condos. Now the tourists, locals looking for a night out, and well to do types come to downtown all the time. So the homeless issue has been very visible. The city has pushed a lot of homeless back into Skid Row borders or elsewhere, but away from many parts of gentrifying Downtown. I remember the areas outside of Union Station. Pershing Square, City Hall, LA Library, Little Tokyo Library, outside all 3 entrances of Pershing Square station having significant homeless populations, tent cities. Now so much fewer than before. Actually many parts of Downtown have so few compared to prior years. Where did they all go? Many to Skid Row or other parts of LA/County. Same thing in Hollywood. A lot of homeless but with all the new construction and businesses, many of the homeless left for other areas. dont be fooled , there are still a lot in both areas, just not as much as I remember before.

LA City has stepped up in addressing a lot of issues to solving homelessness. LA city is building lots of homeless shelters in every district rather than just concentrate all homeless and services in Downtown LA skid row. The other 88 cities in LA County and other counties of SoCal you never hear of their efforts because everyone just talks about LA City/Skid Row. So if there is any City news or USA/international articles about LA homeless, they only show Downtown's Skid Row. Im sure other cities are doing stuff to fix the problems such as in Santa Monica and Long Beach, Anaheim, Santa Ana that I know of. Building affordable housing, housing for homeless Vets at the VA facilities.

LA City's Efforts to crack down hard on homeless has been met with ACLU lawsuits that tied up the hands of City Hall. Lately LA city just renewed the ban of sleeping in cars in certain areas like residential streets overnight. LA is trying to ban sleeping on sidewalks in certain locations like near schools, parks, libraries, daycares and some other areas but is met with resistance with homeless advocacy groups. Many areas in LA city have bans on RVs or long cars of certain length overnight especially Venice which was a major problem decades before.

As I say, the homeless issue in LA is increasing in numbers, BUT also because of efforts to clean the city and fix problem areas, plus gentrification which is causing the homeless to be more visible than previous decades.

I think for those in LA City, I think Quality of Life has gotten worse, mainly do to shifting homeless populations the didnt exist before. Dealing with feces/ urine /needles/ trash on local streets, that maybe didnt exists before. Interactions with homeless is more common because more people are moving into certain areas, taking public transport, do more walking than previous decades. I constantly move for work so it isn't a choice reason to move. A lot of people with certain money bracket have moved to suburbs away from the certain parts of LA. Better schools, cleaner streets, safer. It has led these suburbs to thrive and let old LA to rot away. The renaissance of LA the past 20 years is totally changing everything about LA. Poor neighborhoods becoming nice and trendy and livable to larger percentage of the population. LA city is finally investing on fixing poor roads, fixing broken streets and sidewalks, maintaining street trees, cleaning up riverways, neighborhoods, creating city parks, planting trees, city beautification one area at a time. More investment in schools and building new schools and other things that have been on the back burner. LA is really turning 180 degrees with all the new money from property taxes, new businesses, high tourism numbers, bigger tech and media/hollywood. So LA is getting better overall, not worse. Just has to deal with all the issues that have always existed as the city improves.
Great post. Gentrification is a major factor in a lot of the "newly" homeless. Cost of living rising quickly in many areas.
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Miami, The Magic City
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Good post!...besides gentrification I have read speculative Airbnb investing has driven up the cost and reduced the pool of affordable housing, contributing to the homeless problem (not to mention creating more of a transient population in some areas with visitors who are less caring than permanent residents).

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Great post. Gentrification is a major factor in a lot of the "newly" homeless. Cost of living rising quickly in many areas.
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Originally Posted by saybanana View Post
LA probably has the worst (despite being second to NYC). A lot of it is quite visible. The county does a near thorough annual count and the numbers change here and there between 55,000-75,000 people. It includes all types from people living rough on the streets, people in shelters, people in cars/RVs, people on sofas, people in motels and so on.

Remember this number is for LA County (10 million population). So it is about 1/2 of 1% of the county population. LA City (4million) homeless is about over 1/2 of the county's homeless population so LA City feels like it has a bigger problem. Other counties in the Southern California region have significantly less homeless making up maybe 1/3 - 1/4 or less of 1% of the population.

For many decades LA city was the place where lowest income groups lived, especially in places like South Central LA like Watts or places like Pico Union-Westlake, NELA, Eastside communities, East SFV valley, Harbor city communities. A huge poverty class with a lot of min wage type workers, larger unemployment compared to suburbs, lots of people on welfare, high school or less education. So if you were on the skids, LA was one of the last cities you would live before you went into homelessness for whatever issue. The past 10 years or even 15+ years leading up to the recession, property prices and rents slowly crept up. This pushed a lot of people from upper income areas to middle class areas. Then middle class into lower middle, and lower income areas to working class / poor. And poor into homelessness. It was a trickling down . People who could financially move out, especially working/middle classes, they went to the Inland Empire or Palmdale or Las Vegas, Phoenix, Texan cities, etc. Gentrification happening all over, LA City specifically, because it had the lowest rents and home prices 10-20 years ago. But now it has probably some of the highest prices relative to the condition of the neighborhoods. Places like Echo Park, Koreatown, East Hollywood, West Adams, Westlake, Highland Park, Boyle Heights and others are dealing with gentrification pricing out lower incomes, making it very unaffordable everyone. It wasn't just in LA but all over LA County and LA Metropolis.

Back to the homeless. I feel that the past 10-15 years of of increased COL has forced the increase of numbers of homeless BUT also forced the visible presence of homeless. How? When the neighborhoods gentrified, people with money moved in, people from all over came to these poor neighborhoods creating an appealing area to go eat, buy, hang out, etc. While there were homeless in these areas before, little was done about it. They were left to hid in certain areas like alleys, or along freeways, in dark corners of parks, or in the hills away from the public eye. But I've noticed the past 10 years, a lot of these people were cleared out into the open. The newer and richer community knew the problem and wanted something done. When things were done, the homeless became visible in the towns main streets, sleeping in tents on side streets or parking lots very visible to the entire community. Many spread throughout LA under freeway bridges, into the riverbanks and suburban areas. Constant cleanups kept moving the homeless here and there with some returning like a few week later only to start the process again. There weren't enough homes or shelters for everyone and not everyone wanted homes or shelters to due various reasons like addiction, mental illness, criminal activity. Those who want shelter, took it. That left the streets with the most visible homeless that most people associate with homelessness, like the drug addicts, alcoholics, mentally ill.

Downtown LA about 20 years ago was a ghost town after 5pm and weekends. Hardly anyone lived there and few suburban locals went there. Most businesses opened weekends were the warehouses and swapmeet type stores that lower income groups went. The homeless were everywhere yet it wasn't talked about. Skid Row has always existed. But Downtown's renaissance over the past 20 years has brought a lot money fixing up buildings for residents and bigger businesses, lots of hotels, restaurants, mainstream retail, cafes, etc. Hipsters first moved in and didnt complain as much and dealt with big city issues. Then the yuppies and then suburbanites moved in and then rich buying $1M condos. Now the tourists, locals looking for a night out, and well to do types come to downtown all the time. So the homeless issue has been very visible. The city has pushed a lot of homeless back into Skid Row borders or elsewhere, but away from many parts of gentrifying Downtown. I remember the areas outside of Union Station. Pershing Square, City Hall, LA Library, Little Tokyo Library, outside all 3 entrances of Pershing Square station having significant homeless populations, tent cities. Now so much fewer than before. Actually many parts of Downtown have so few compared to prior years. Where did they all go? Many to Skid Row or other parts of LA/County. Same thing in Hollywood. A lot of homeless but with all the new construction and businesses, many of the homeless left for other areas. dont be fooled , there are still a lot in both areas, just not as much as I remember before.

LA City has stepped up in addressing a lot of issues to solving homelessness. LA city is building lots of homeless shelters in every district rather than just concentrate all homeless and services in Downtown LA skid row. The other 88 cities in LA County and other counties of SoCal you never hear of their efforts because everyone just talks about LA City/Skid Row. So if there is any City news or USA/international articles about LA homeless, they only show Downtown's Skid Row. Im sure other cities are doing stuff to fix the problems such as in Santa Monica and Long Beach, Anaheim, Santa Ana that I know of. Building affordable housing, housing for homeless Vets at the VA facilities.

LA City's Efforts to crack down hard on homeless has been met with ACLU lawsuits that tied up the hands of City Hall. Lately LA city just renewed the ban of sleeping in cars in certain areas like residential streets overnight. LA is trying to ban sleeping on sidewalks in certain locations like near schools, parks, libraries, daycares and some other areas but is met with resistance with homeless advocacy groups. Many areas in LA city have bans on RVs or long cars of certain length overnight especially Venice which was a major problem decades before.

As I say, the homeless issue in LA is increasing in numbers, BUT also because of efforts to clean the city and fix problem areas, plus gentrification which is causing the homeless to be more visible than previous decades.

I think for those in LA City, I think Quality of Life has gotten worse, mainly do to shifting homeless populations the didnt exist before. Dealing with feces/ urine /needles/ trash on local streets, that maybe didnt exists before. Interactions with homeless is more common because more people are moving into certain areas, taking public transport, do more walking than previous decades. I constantly move for work so it isn't a choice reason to move. A lot of people with certain money bracket have moved to suburbs away from the certain parts of LA. Better schools, cleaner streets, safer. It has led these suburbs to thrive and let old LA to rot away. The renaissance of LA the past 20 years is totally changing everything about LA. Poor neighborhoods becoming nice and trendy and livable to larger percentage of the population. LA city is finally investing on fixing poor roads, fixing broken streets and sidewalks, maintaining street trees, cleaning up riverways, neighborhoods, creating city parks, planting trees, city beautification one area at a time. More investment in schools and building new schools and other things that have been on the back burner. LA is really turning 180 degrees with all the new money from property taxes, new businesses, high tourism numbers, bigger tech and media/hollywood. So LA is getting better overall, not worse. Just has to deal with all the issues that have always existed as the city improves.
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Old 10-07-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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I haven't lived in ATL long enough to be an expert. There are homeless encampments under a few bridges near downtown. My 6 year old asked why one of them was just peeing out the in open, it sparked some good convo. But generally speaking, I never have a need to go where the homeless congregate, so I'm not affected much in that regard. Occasionally I'll see a pandhandler in the suburbs on an on/off ramp, to which I never give money to.

When I lived in the Twin Cities, one mostly saw them downtown, or on/near public transit. Being that it's a cold weather state, oftentimes you'd see them inside the skyways (and I worked downtown). An occasional nuisance, but nothing worth really complaining over.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Current city is Seattle. So yea
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Kansas City North
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KC: Just beggars at intersections. Don't see much otherwise.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:54 PM
 
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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I travel the west coast pretty frequently and it is a problem everywhere, but particularly in the major cities and even smaller cities along major roads, such as I-5. Many people (erroneously) think it is a transplant or immigrant problem, but most cities that have done surveys of homeless find that the majority are either from the area or have lived in the area for decades.

And there are many types of people who are homeless, so there is no one cure. Some people were one disaster away from being homeless and WANT to get back into the "mainstream" - have a regular job, a place to live and to fit in. Others can't or won't fit in for a variety of reasons - mental illness, drugs, alcohol, etc.
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Old 10-08-2019, 03:33 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Baton Rouge doesn't have a major homeless problem, though some homeless people can be seen, often at freeway on ramps begging for money.

New Orleans has far more homeless people. Jackson Square seems to have an especially large concentration of them sleeping on the grass right in the middle of the square.
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Old 10-08-2019, 11:28 AM
 
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Homelessness has been in the news in recent weeks and, oddly, I never recall seeing a thread on CD about this. How is the homeless situation in your city, with the following criteria:

Is the homeless situation a major/noticeable problem in your city?
Has the situation improved or gotten worse in recent years?
Does it effect your Quality of Living, would you move as a result?

I will start. Here in Miami there are homeless people but not as widespread or as prevalent as when I lived in California. In San Diego I ran into at least 15-25/day (in a park outside my downtown condo, sitting next to me and coming up to me at coffee shops, on my way to the gym or downtown restaurants, etc) whereas I might see 1-2/day in Brickell, though there are other sections of the city where there is a larger population. I would not call it a major problem in Miami (not even in the top 10 cities for homeless population) and the situation is not getting noticeably worse. The homeless situation in CA was not THE reason I opted to move away but certainly was a contributing factor.

How is the situation like in your city ?
Not gonna lie NYC has a lot of homeless people. That said, there are many programs to help them but unfortunately a lot don't want to be helped.
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Old Yesterday, 01:50 PM
 
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It cracks me up when someone says economy is "good" and "jobs are plentiful". Sure, slave dime-paying part-time jobs without benefits might be plentiful (in some areas), but this can not be said regarding better jobs that pay adequate to the cost of living, and, in particular, to cost of housing (which both had greatly increased due to runaway dollar inflation, and I don't mean the fake cooked-up economic numbers they feed you, along with other lies).
COL and housing are ridiculous, especially around the entire West (and along the East Coast).
There're a lot more homeless out there than you see in tent encampments: a lot of people are living in their cars, vans and RVs now.

Most homeless are concentrating in the Western coastal states with milder climate and also in places like New Mexico and Florida.

No, life in LA and pretty much any Western city isn't getting "better"...it's getting worse, with more homeless on one side, and more newcomers creating extreme overcrowding and traffic on another side .

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Old Today, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Out of the big 4 or 5 Texas cities (Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio, Houston) the only city that I've noticed a significant number of homeless people is Austin.

Not saying there aren't homeless people in the other cities, it's just that Austin is the only city where I've seen tent cities or large groups of homeless people living under bridges, that sort of thing.

Here in a metro area of about 225,000 (Tyler, TX in NE Texas) we have a Salvation Army/soup kitchen area downtown and it's been consistently pretty busy for decades. I haven't seen an increase in numbers there.

When I was in Nashville, TN a few years ago I saw homeless people downtown - not in droves but they were there.

I think many homeless people are addicts and/or mentally ill. I wish we had better safeguards and treatment plans for those people. But I do know that addicts and the mentally ill (often one and the same) are notoriously hard to treat even when they are complying with treatment, so I don't really know the answers to the problem.
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