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Old 10-15-2019, 09:37 AM
 
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Comparisons are relative. One could look at my brother and I side by side and say " you guys are a lot alike, I don't notice many differences." I would totally get what they meant if they said that.

Likewise, someone could look at us and remark " you guys have so many differences, like...":

your hairline
one is 5'9" and the other is 6'0"
One of you has 2 kids and the other has 7!!!
One of you lives in the midwest and the other in the south
One of you has 6% bodyfat and the other has 14%
One of you works in corporate america and the other is a SAHD
One has a sharp nose, the other rounded
One of you loves vacations and the other is a homebody

Both statements would be correct, but one is looking at a more macro level (in comparison to all other people), while the other is comparing on a more micro level (relative to identical twins perhaps).
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:37 AM
 
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The Us is not that diverse.

While we have tons of diversity in big cities like NYC or LA, outside of our major metropolitan areas we hardly have any real diversity.

Ive driven from Miami to NYC and in Miami you can tell its diverse.

As soon as you get out of Miami, its all a red white and blue overdose pretty much until you hit DC where you find diversity, and then onto NYC.

Between Miami and DC is pretty much American style people, American chain restaurants, American suburbs, American looking people wearing American looking clothes, you might find Spanish here and there but English is all over.

Try in Europe, I can drive one hour north of Brussels (where people speak FRench, are catholic, and has tons of muslims, congolese, chinese, indians, people from all over Europe etc) and end up in the netherlands, where people speak Dutch, you have tons of Indonesians and people are protestant.

Not only that, within the span of an hour, the architecture in Europe changes, the style of the people changes, the religion, language, foods change.

Within the span 14 hours in the US everything looks and feels the same, I had to ask a cashier at a burger join right of the highway, which state I was in because I wasnt sure I was in Maryland or Virginia, I didnt even know I had cross state lines. That is how homogeneous the US is.
If all you do is stop to get gas - you are correct.
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:20 PM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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If it takes that much time and effort to experience the local culture of a place, then maybe the OP has a point in saying that the differences between U.S. regions aren't that great.

Go to a foreign country, like Switzerland, and you will immediately notice the cultural difference from wherever you live in the U.S. You don't have to dig for it at all.
Beyond the obvious, like food and language, which are generally what you experience as the greatest 'cultural' difference in the first few days or weeks in a foreign country.
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Kent, UK/ Rhode Island, US
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Comparisons are relative. One could look at my brother and I side by side and say " you guys are a lot alike, I don't notice many differences." I would totally get what they meant if they said that.

Likewise, someone could look at us and remark " you guys have so many differences, like...":

your hairline
one is 5'9" and the other is 6'0"
One of you has 2 kids and the other has 7!!!
One of you lives in the midwest and the other in the south
One of you has 6% bodyfat and the other has 14%
One of you works in corporate america and the other is a SAHD
One has a sharp nose, the other rounded
One of you loves vacations and the other is a homebody

Both statements would be correct, but one is looking at a more macro level (in comparison to all other people), while the other is comparing on a more micro level (relative to identical twins perhaps).
I get that. But the OP was trying to use that comparison to support his point that the US isn't culturally diverse. I think you sorta missed my point, I'm simply saying that stating that "Europe destroys the US in diversity" doesn't necessarily mean the US isn't diverse. Europe is a high bar, no country has regional cultures that rival it, except maybe China.
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:58 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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I was referring to how people are in 2019. A lot of NM's Hispanic population is 1st and 2nd generation and have no ties to that stuff.
Tell that to many of the local families in New Mexico and see what happens. Maybe you just need to get out more. What you are seeing is corporate America. When a community reaches a certain size it pops up on the corporate radar and suddenly there are Red Lobsters and Olive Gardens and Home Depots and dozens of plain vanilla chains. That is commercialism and it is a bland, nationwide phenomenon. That is not culture. You can drive down fast food strips in most medium towns and large cities if that is what you are looking for.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Miami-Dade
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If you want to find diversity and places in the US that dont have that American feel. I recommend:

Santa Fe (NM)
New Orleans
Miami
New York city

Those are the only four places in the US that feel "different" from the rest. The rest of the country is pretty monotonous in terms of architecture, culture, language, foods, accents, religions, ways of life.
I guess Miami is a good one, simply because most people that live here aren't natural born citizens. But if you take away the Latin American element, you have a very U.S. looking city. Plus most of the children of the immigrants that come here become Americanized very quickly.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Newark, CA
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I tend to agree with the basic premise of the original post. Even in areas with a different racial and socioeconomic make-up than others, there seems to be an underlying American feel to most places in the country. The racial make-up where I live in the SF Bay Area is very different from many parts of the country...lots of immigrants from China, India and Latin American countries along with other places but it still feels completely American to me.

Having lived my whole life in CA, I don't feel like people are any different when I cross over into Nevada or Oregon. There are some differences, but people pretty much act exactly the same.

My mom just returned to CA from a missionary type of trip to help out women in Eastern Kentucky. That was an eye-opener! She was telling me about many of the local customs and overall way of living that seemed completely foreign to us. My dad's mom was raised in that part of the country and eventually settled in CA. It's interesting to know that way of life is part of my family history even though it's not a part of my personal experience.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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I get that. But the OP was trying to use that comparison to support his point that the US isn't culturally diverse. I think you sorta missed my point, I'm simply saying that stating that "Europe destroys the US in diversity" doesn't necessarily mean the US isn't diverse. Europe is a high bar, no country has regional cultures that rival it, except maybe China.
My post was not in response to yours. We are in agreement. Mine was geared towards the OP
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:47 PM
 
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1. Youre assuming most of urban america is wealthyyuppies. Its not. And thats not who I am talking about

2. Ethnic ORIGIN is huge and not to be dismissed. Rhode Island Hispanic speaks a different type of Spanish, is much more recent in their arrival having come largely since the 1990s as opposed to hundreds of years ago in NM's case (im aware this is more of a Texas thing, but still- relative to Rhode Island there is more of an entrenched hispanic culture). The Hispanic population is much more liberal, associates more with tropical and black culture whereas in New Mexico Hispanics take on more Native and White culture if anything. The lifestyles are very different with Rhode Island Hispanic being 100% urban.In Rhode Island most Hispanic speak with some form of AAVE similar to NY. Favorite sport tends to be basketball and then baseball. Even hairstyles are different. In Rhode Island many Hispanics have cornrows and dreadlocks due to the thicker more Afro like texture of their hair-another big cultural indicator. And of course the food is night and day different from bag tacos and authentic Mexican in NM. The food is night and day and that pretty defining of a culture...

3. Washington State black has a very different accent than Missouri black. With clear hard 'R's being the norm . In, Missouri there a southern drawl and in the St. Louis specifically there is the here/hurr thing going on. Washington State dominate by basketball culture athletically-whereas in Missouri its all about football. In Seattle black people don't generally or ever really live in all black enclaves and the black in Washington State dont experience segregation to the same extent and their experiences are heavily shaped by this. Id assume they are less religious than those in Missouri.

Furthermore as with most extreme northern state Washingtonian blacks tend to look to other larger states to delve into black culture and connect with family. Black folks roots in Missouri are much longer and deeper than in Washington-there more of a sense of ownership of the state. Black in Missouri are more likely to be immersed in an extended family network and are older on average in age by 4-5 years than those in Washington. In general blacks in the West and New England are much younger on average than in the Southeast or Midwest. Unlike whites Blacks in Rhode Island and Massachusetts (and Washington and Colorado) are younger (median age 30) than their southern counterparts than their counterparts to the south (median Black Age in maryland is 37)Put it this way a black family reunion is much more likely to happen in Missouri or California than Washington.

Then theres music. Washington State does not have a single Urban-formatted station rather they have 'Rhythmic stations' which are station that play hip hop and some top 40 but no soul or slower RnB and do not do community updates and the Gospel hours etc. Missouri has several of these. That weakens the bonds in the black community and alters how information and events are received. Further more its a different tyle of hip hop with different popular artist (Ll Mosey and Mozzy are very popular in the Northwest starting at SF and up-whereas 9/10 younger black folks I know in MA and MD have absolutely never heard of them. In Missouri popular artist based on their radio playlists via FMQB are NBA Youngboy and Yella Beezy)

Hispanics openly using the N word, using AAVE, wearing Jordans, getting AA influenced haircuts, listening to mostly hip hop etc. is common in all 50 states. That type of thing might be more prevalent in the Northeast with PRs and DRs, but it's common among Mexican-Americans too throughout the country.

And reggaeton is very popular among all Hispanic groupd in the US.

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Old 10-15-2019, 01:53 PM
 
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I tend to agree with the basic premise of the original post. Even in areas with a different racial and socioeconomic make-up than others, there seems to be an underlying American feel to most places in the country. The racial make-up where I live in the SF Bay Area is very different from many parts of the country...lots of immigrants from China, India and Latin American countries along with other places but it still feels completely American to me.

Having lived my whole life in CA, I don't feel like people are any different when I cross over into Nevada or Oregon. There are some differences, but people pretty much act exactly the same.

My mom just returned to CA from a missionary type of trip to help out women in Eastern Kentucky. That was an eye-opener! She was telling me about many of the local customs and overall way of living that seemed completely foreign to us. My dad's mom was raised in that part of the country and eventually settled in CA. It's interesting to know that way of life is part of my family history even though it's not a part of my personal experience.
Yeah I'm not saying that no regional cultural differences exist, but for the most part I think that people are pretty similar when you adjust for certain differences like ethnicity and income.
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