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Old 10-13-2019, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Buffalo.

Actually, many times in Chicago it is too cold for snow.
More specifically, the Snow Belt areas just south of Buffalo have the best chance - average yearly snow ranges from 50 inches north of the city to 200 inches in the hills south of the city. And adjacent Lake Erie is generally frozen over from late December until March.

Another candidate is east of Lake Ontario, Syracuse and especially Watertown NY (home of the US Army 10th Mountain Division). Nearly always more snow than the Buffalo area due to lake effect storms, as Lake Ontario never freezes.
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Old 10-13-2019, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Thunder Bay, ON
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As a Canadian you're usually living near the US border. Currently, I'm about 70km from the Minnesota border. We already had two snowfalls this year, although they were just a couple cm and the snow only lasted a few hours before melting. There's snow on the ground for most of November though, and for the past 3 winters of living here, I've yet to see a single day in December to March when there wasn't snow cover. The snow cover usually lasts into April, this year, the snow in the city lasted until late April on the lawns (mid May for some of the bigger piles made by snowplows) and there were areas in the woods in and hills that still had 20-30 cm in mid-late April, and a few small patches into mid-late May.

The climate on the US side of the border in NE Minnesota is essentially identical. So the parts of the US around Lake Superior have 4-6 months of snow cover. Probably Minneapolis, Green Bay, Traverse City and Fargo also have snow on the ground pretty consistently.

I've also lived in Southern Ontario. Over there, it depends where you are relative to the lakes, which generate snowbelts as well as a moderating effect. The shore of Lake Ontario from Toronto to Hamilton gets little snowbelt precipitation, but has a moderating effect, so there can be decently 10-20cm snowfalls any time from December to March, but it's rare for snow to last more than 2-3 weeks. I would say there's about 50-60 days of snow cover there. But in Waterloo, it's 1-2 degrees colder with a bit more snowbelt precipitation, so there it's already more like 80 days of snow cover. In Barrie it's a bit colder still with more snowbelts, so maybe 90 days?

This map basically answers your question.


Based off that map, among the bigger regional cities, looks like roughly

Duluth, MN: 130 days
Boise, ID: 130 days
Salt Lake City, UT: 120 days
Burlington, VT: 120 days
Fargo, ND: 100 days
Minneapolis, MN: 100 days
Bozeman, MT: 100 days
Manchester, NH: 90 days
Syracuse, NY: 90 days
Albany, NY: 90 days
Green Bay, WI: 85 days
Portland, ME: 80 days
Buffalo, NY: 80 days
Denver, CO: 75 days
Cheyenne, WY: 70 days
Reno, NV: 70 days
Rochester, NY: 70 days
Springfield, MA: 70 days
Madison, WI: 70 days
Grand Rapids, MI: 70 days
Sioux Falls, SD: 70 days
Milwaukee, WI: 65 days
Scranton, PA: 60 days
Rapid City, SD: 60 days
Cleveland, OH: 55 days
Davenport, IA: 50 days
Des Moines, IA: 50 days
Spokane, WA: 50 days
Boston, MA: 45 days
Detroit, MI: 45 days
Chicago, IL: 45 days
Omaha, NE: 40 days
Pittsburgh, PA: 40 days
Columbus, OH: 30 days
New York City, NY: 25 days
Kansas City, MO: 25 days
Santa Fe, NM: 25 days
Philadelphia, PA: 20 days
St. Louis, MO: 20 days

The Western cities (Bozeman, Reno, Salt Lake, Denver, Boise, Spokane, Cheyenne, Santa Fe) are hard to estimate from this map though since it's a very zoomed out map and there's going to be very significant differences depending on which side of a mountain they're on or what the exact elevation is. Someone more familiar with those cities would have to confirm what they're like.

The areas with extremely long lasting snow (>100 days) in the eastern half of the country mostly have small cities, Duluth and Burlington aren't that big, and there's also Watertown, Bangor, Grand Forks, Minot, Wausau, Marquette, Traverse City and others but those are mostly towns or small cities. I would consider 50-100 days to still be a significant length of snow cover though, and that includes some relatively large cities like Buffalo, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and the northern or more inland parts of the Boston area. Chicago and Detroit get decent snow cover too. New York City and Philadelphia not so much, there will be a few days here and there, maybe even a week or two, but there are more snow-free days during the winter than days with snow. The southern half of the US, the West Coast and the East Coast up to Baltimore get very little snow cover or none at all.
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Old 10-13-2019, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Preussen
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As a Canadian you're usually living near the US border. Currently, I'm about 70km from the Minnesota border. We already had two snowfalls this year, although they were just a couple cm and the snow only lasted a few hours before melting. There's snow on the ground for most of November though, and for the past 3 winters of living here, I've yet to see a single day in December to March when there wasn't snow cover. The snow cover usually lasts into April, this year, the snow in the city lasted until late April on the lawns (mid May for some of the bigger piles made by snowplows) and there were areas in the woods in and hills that still had 20-30 cm in mid-late April, and a few small patches into mid-late May.

The climate on the US side of the border in NE Minnesota is essentially identical. So the parts of the US around Lake Superior have 4-6 months of snow cover. Probably Minneapolis, Green Bay, Traverse City and Fargo also have snow on the ground pretty consistently.

I've also lived in Southern Ontario. Over there, it depends where you are relative to the lakes, which generate snowbelts as well as a moderating effect. The shore of Lake Ontario from Toronto to Hamilton gets little snowbelt precipitation, but has a moderating effect, so there can be decently 10-20cm snowfalls any time from December to March, but it's rare for snow to last more than 2-3 weeks. I would say there's about 50-60 days of snow cover there. But in Waterloo, it's 1-2 degrees colder with a bit more snowbelt precipitation, so there it's already more like 80 days of snow cover. In Barrie it's a bit colder still with more snowbelts, so maybe 90 days?

This map basically answers your question.


Based off that map, among the bigger regional cities, looks like roughly

Duluth, MN: 130 days
Boise, ID: 130 days
Salt Lake City, UT: 120 days
Burlington, VT: 120 days
Fargo, ND: 100 days
Minneapolis, MN: 100 days
Bozeman, MT: 100 days
Manchester, NH: 90 days
Syracuse, NY: 90 days
Albany, NY: 90 days
Green Bay, WI: 85 days
Portland, ME: 80 days
Buffalo, NY: 80 days
Denver, CO: 75 days
Cheyenne, WY: 70 days
Reno, NV: 70 days
Rochester, NY: 70 days
Springfield, MA: 70 days
Madison, WI: 70 days
Grand Rapids, MI: 70 days
Sioux Falls, SD: 70 days
Milwaukee, WI: 65 days
Scranton, PA: 60 days
Rapid City, SD: 60 days
Cleveland, OH: 55 days
Davenport, IA: 50 days
Des Moines, IA: 50 days
Spokane, WA: 50 days
Boston, MA: 45 days
Detroit, MI: 45 days
Chicago, IL: 45 days
Omaha, NE: 40 days
Pittsburgh, PA: 40 days
Columbus, OH: 30 days
New York City, NY: 25 days
Kansas City, MO: 25 days
Santa Fe, NM: 25 days
Philadelphia, PA: 20 days
St. Louis, MO: 20 days

The Western cities (Bozeman, Reno, Salt Lake, Denver, Boise, Spokane, Cheyenne, Santa Fe) are hard to estimate from this map though since it's a very zoomed out map and there's going to be very significant differences depending on which side of a mountain they're on or what the exact elevation is. Someone more familiar with those cities would have to confirm what they're like.

The areas with extremely long lasting snow (>100 days) in the eastern half of the country mostly have small cities, Duluth and Burlington aren't that big, and there's also Watertown, Bangor, Grand Forks, Minot, Wausau, Marquette, Traverse City and others but those are mostly towns or small cities. I would consider 50-100 days to still be a significant length of snow cover though, and that includes some relatively large cities like Buffalo, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and the northern or more inland parts of the Boston area. Chicago and Detroit get decent snow cover too. New York City and Philadelphia not so much, there will be a few days here and there, maybe even a week or two, but there are more snow-free days during the winter than days with snow. The southern half of the US, the West Coast and the East Coast up to Baltimore get very little snow cover or none at all.

It is crazy how different stats are for Canada and northern US than for Europe. I checked out latitudes and northern Germany and northern Poland are clearly far more north than where majority of canadians live, not to mention northern americans and yet there is not even close of an amount of snow here that you have there. You truly have four seasons weather where summer is summer and winter is winter. Here it seems there is just long autumn and long spring. Too cold in summer and too warm in winter.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Actually, many times in Chicago it is too cold for snow.
I got lectured on this once. Here you go.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...gist-1.3944582
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:12 PM
 
Location: 60630
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Almost anywhere that's above Interstate 90.
ha...Pretty close
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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I don't think it's reasonable to try and compare the US to European weather. The size difference alone makes that jut not realistic.

If you had to simplify to a grade school degree, you could say the northern 1/3 definitely gets snow in winter and that would normally be from November to June. And, some areas farther south also get snow, and all of these areas can get more snow than other areas.

In other words, good luck generalizing without looking up statistics.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Thunder Bay, ON
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It is crazy how different stats are for Canada and northern US than for Europe. I checked out latitudes and northern Germany and northern Poland are clearly far more north than where majority of canadians live, not to mention northern americans and yet there is not even close of an amount of snow here that you have there. You truly have four seasons weather where summer is summer and winter is winter. Here it seems there is just long autumn and long spring. Too cold in summer and too warm in winter.
Europe feels like it has more of a proper spring though. Summer and winter are only two seasons. In North America you can go from winter to summer very quickly. And the reverse too. The Prairies have already had two snowstorms that dumped 50-100 cm of snow in some areas.

This was the amount of snow they got on the last weekend of September (western Prairies).


And now this weekend, the eastern Prairies got a huge snow storm.


The change can be quite abrupt, it can go from snowing to 20C+ to freezing again in just a few days in the Midwest/Great Lakes, and in Calgary and Denver that kind of change can happen in just hours.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Thunder Bay, ON
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I don't think it's reasonable to try and compare the US to European weather. The size difference alone makes that jut not realistic.

If you had to simplify to a grade school degree, you could say the northern 1/3 definitely gets snow in winter and that would normally be from November to June. And, some areas farther south also get snow, and all of these areas can get more snow than other areas.

In other words, good luck generalizing without looking up statistics.
Well not in June other than the high mountains. Even May snow is rare, and limited to the start of the month, and still only something that happens in the mountains, northern New England and around Lake Superior. October snow is not that rare, at least as common as May snow, as the big storm that just hit North Dakota shows.

For most of the big northern cities like Boston, Detroit and Chicago, each season lasts about 3 months.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:59 PM
 
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Growing up in north Iowa, we used to be snow bound all winter. It never is now. We still have blizzards and sub zero temps, but then the next week it's 45, before repeating the cycle.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:50 AM
 
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Almost anywhere that's above Interstate 90.
Pretty much. At the eastern end, the last 20 or 30 miles as you approach Boston and the ocean are more mild.

I get 200” of snow in my driveway at my Vermont place at a ski resort. There’s a woman’s World Cup ski race every Thanksgiving weekend but that’s on man made snow.
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