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Old 10-22-2019, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Miami-Dade
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Well “barbecue” was first used by a specific culture and had a specific meaning. While there is some connection to the Indian concept, there were differences that went beyond spelling.
If it was truly a very specific thing with minimal connection to your "root word", then wouldn't it seem appropriate for Sam Johnson to give it an entirely original name altogether? Kind of laissez-faire to just call it barbecue, seeing as how it's resulted in all this confusion in 2019.

For all we know, when he observed the practice he called barbecue, pigs were likely the only animal of size available in that region that were suitable for smoking.

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I think people should call their food what it is. I love brisket. But I also call it brisket. I might have brisket with my barbecue, but I’d never say I’m having two servings of barbecue if I did that. Americans are too laissez-faire about these things. If this was France, we’d have declared Southern barbecue a protected national heritage item and made Kansas City and Texas call theirs sparkling wine or meat or whatever.
Brisket refers to the cut of meat. Has nothing to do with how it's cooked and no one calls it BBQ unless it's been smoked.
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Old 10-22-2019, 07:58 PM
 
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It's biased against chain restaurants because most chain restaurants are garbage. People eat at chain restaurants when there's no other choice or they don't know any better. If you live in a place with diverse culinary offerings, you almost never go to chain restaurants. They are, for the most part, crap compared to their independent competitors. Olive Garden isn't Italian food, sorry.

...Cheesecake Factory being the exception...
I feel the same way as you do about chain restaurants. I always try my best to avoid chain restaurants whenever I eat out.
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Old 10-22-2019, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Awww, y'all hatin' on chain restaurants. I get it - I don't go to a chain restaurant looking for a gourmet meal, but honestly, sometimes I just want some soup and salad at the Olive Garden, or a loud and boisterous evening with kids and grandkids at Texas Roadhouse.

I think if everyone is completely honest, we'd find that most people go to chains sometimes, whether it's for food, or for clothing, or sunglasses, or whatever. I think it's sort of pretentious to pretend otherwise.

I love gourmet food, custom made jewelry, hand crafted shawls or scarves, one of a kind pieces or tastes or whatever. I'd rather go to the locally owned coffee shop rather than Starbucks any day. But sorry, that doesn't mean I WILL NOT go to a Starbucks, especially if I'm with someone else who says, "Hey, wanna grab a coffee at Starbucks?" No, sorry, I'm not going to say, "Ewww, Starbucks - REALLY? No, let's go to the locally owned place across town instead instead of one of four or five Starbucks within a five mile radius."
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Old 10-22-2019, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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I feel the same way as you do about chain restaurants. I always try my best to avoid chain restaurants whenever I eat out.

The funny thing is that in this country the way people run businesses, if you have a really good restaurant it will be a chain sooner or later because you'll try to make as much money as possible with it. If a place stays 'stand alone' for a long time it's either super fine dining or they probably just aren't profitable enough to get the funding for an expansion.

I live in a market with a *ton* of options and generally considered one of the best cities for food..and there's a lot of mediocre standalone 'family owned' restaurants that are no better than many chains. I notice a lot of 'ethnic' places seem to think that just being from a place with good cuisine makes you a good cook thereof.
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Old 10-23-2019, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Somerville, MA
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Awww, y'all hatin' on chain restaurants. I get it - I don't go to a chain restaurant looking for a gourmet meal, but honestly, sometimes I just want some soup and salad at the Olive Garden, or a loud and boisterous evening with kids and grandkids at Texas Roadhouse.

I think if everyone is completely honest, we'd find that most people go to chains sometimes, whether it's for food, or for clothing, or sunglasses, or whatever. I think it's sort of pretentious to pretend otherwise.

I love gourmet food, custom made jewelry, hand crafted shawls or scarves, one of a kind pieces or tastes or whatever. I'd rather go to the locally owned coffee shop rather than Starbucks any day. But sorry, that doesn't mean I WILL NOT go to a Starbucks, especially if I'm with someone else who says, "Hey, wanna grab a coffee at Starbucks?" No, sorry, I'm not going to say, "Ewww, Starbucks - REALLY? No, let's go to the locally owned place across town instead instead of one of four or five Starbucks within a five mile radius."
All accurate (and I'm in this boat too). I but you kind of nailed the crux of the argument with the bolded. A list rating states by food should not weigh chains heavily because they're neither unique, nor gourmet. I know people get on their high horse about chains, but I think given the context of this thread, it's all pretty fair.
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Old 10-23-2019, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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All accurate (and I'm in this boat too). I but you kind of nailed the crux of the argument with the bolded. A list rating states by food should not weigh chains heavily because they're neither unique, nor gourmet. I know people get on their high horse about chains, but I think given the context of this thread, it's all pretty fair.
I think they should go by regional foods. And some chains are regional. Others export regional foods.

Out of curiosity I just looked up Chuys, which is a popular Tex Mex chain restaurant originating in Austin, TX. https://www.chuys.com/locations
Now this is strictly TEX MEX food. So I don't think that - and I'm just making this up but go with it - say, OKLAHOMA should be judged by Chuys if there were thousands of Chuys there - because apparently the menus are not tweaked by location to include state specific, regional foods. So it's Texas food - just served in Oklahoma. But I wouldn't mind if TEXAS foods were judged in part by Chuys offerings.

Does that make sense?

I was mainly though just calling people out for acting like they eschew chains, when I'm betting the vast majority of people don't. For instance, speaking of Chuys, I love independently owned and operated mom and pop restaurants and frequent them often - I make it a point to support locally owned businesses. But I ate at Chuys the other day. They have the best nachos around - LOL. And that's what I was there for.
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Old 10-23-2019, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Miami-Dade
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I think they should go by regional foods. And some chains are regional. Others export regional foods.

Out of curiosity I just looked up Chuys, which is a popular Tex Mex chain restaurant originating in Austin, TX. https://www.chuys.com/locations
Now this is strictly TEX MEX food. So I don't think that - and I'm just making this up but go with it - say, OKLAHOMA should be judged by Chuys if there were thousands of Chuys there - because apparently the menus are not tweaked by location to include state specific, regional foods. So it's Texas food - just served in Oklahoma. But I wouldn't mind if TEXAS foods were judged in part by Chuys offerings.
Well I would. Chuy's is pretty gringo from what I remember. And I don't think of it as strictly Tex-Mex as much as it is generally southwestern/Mexican-inspired.

In my opinion, the chain that best represents Tex-Mex is Taco Cabana. Based in San Antonio instead of Austin.
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Old 10-23-2019, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Well I would. Chuy's is pretty gringo from what I remember. And I don't think of it as strictly Tex-Mex as much as it is generally southwestern/Mexican-inspired.

In my opinion, the chain that best represents Tex-Mex is Taco Cabana. Based in San Antonio instead of Austin.
Since Oklahoma has been brought up I thought it was interesting that Taco Cabana came up here from Texas about 20 years ago but didn't make it. I don't know why considering it was pretty good. Chuy's does pretty good because it was already famous here due to it's original location. But there are only 3 in the state. I was shocked at how far Chuy's has expanded. They are getting national.
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Old 10-23-2019, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Boulder County, CO
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Texas is much more than BBQ. Peace Bakery in Austin, TX- best Mediterranean food I'll probably ever have.
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Old 10-23-2019, 09:36 PM
 
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Awww, y'all hatin' on chain restaurants. I get it - I don't go to a chain restaurant looking for a gourmet meal, but honestly, sometimes I just want some soup and salad at the Olive Garden, or a loud and boisterous evening with kids and grandkids at Texas Roadhouse.

I think if everyone is completely honest, we'd find that most people go to chains sometimes, whether it's for food, or for clothing, or sunglasses, or whatever. I think it's sort of pretentious to pretend otherwise.

I love gourmet food, custom made jewelry, hand crafted shawls or scarves, one of a kind pieces or tastes or whatever. I'd rather go to the locally owned coffee shop rather than Starbucks any day. But sorry, that doesn't mean I WILL NOT go to a Starbucks, especially if I'm with someone else who says, "Hey, wanna grab a coffee at Starbucks?" No, sorry, I'm not going to say, "Ewww, Starbucks - REALLY? No, let's go to the locally owned place across town instead instead of one of four or five Starbucks within a five mile radius."
Agreed. I'm a foodie but don't hate on a good chain restaurant. One of my favorite restaurants is a local chain called X'ian Famous Foods, a place specializing in food from the X'ian province of China. It started off as 1 place and spread based on the popularity.
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