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Old 10-20-2019, 01:24 AM
 
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I'm going to preface this to say that this definitely wasn't the first time I've been in Mount Pleasant or Ludlow (Cleveland), but it was the first time I had to take this exact route. Long story short, those from Cleveland coming from the south knows I-77 north is closed (at least on weekends, I don't go that way during the work week so not sure if it's only weekends). Anyway, pretty much all my life for me to get to Ludlow since I've lived on either the west side or south, it was E. 55th to Woodland to Buckeye (still a hood trek but at least you can see Buckeye getting "better" the closer you are to South Moreland (Ludlow).

Since I-77 is closed once you get to the city (I-480), and I'm now south, had to take 480 to Broadway, to E. 131. Then GPS took me to E. 130 at Union. I've never been down E. 130 before until today. I kind of knew where I was was, but was shocked at how close I was when I turned onto Griffing. I knew that Mount Pleasant and Ludlow were right next to each other, just didn't realize how drastic the change was, and (even as a life long Clevelander). E. 130th and Griffing is boarded up houses/stores and vacant lots. But you go one block east and get to Moreland and it is pristine suburbia (still city of Cleveland).

I'm pretty well traveled, but I've never seen anything like this, and in my own backyard.

Here's the street view visual.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4752...7i16384!8i8192

I'm wondering if there are any other places where there is such a change from absolute poverty to middle class in the USA in a one block area?
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Old 10-20-2019, 08:34 AM
 
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I'm going to preface this to say that this definitely wasn't the first time I've been in Mount Pleasant or Ludlow (Cleveland), but it was the first time I had to take this exact route. Long story short, those from Cleveland coming from the south knows I-77 north is closed (at least on weekends, I don't go that way during the work week so not sure if it's only weekends). Anyway, pretty much all my life for me to get to Ludlow since I've lived on either the west side or south, it was E. 55th to Woodland to Buckeye (still a hood trek but at least you can see Buckeye getting "better" the closer you are to South Moreland (Ludlow).

Since I-77 is closed once you get to the city (I-480), and I'm now south, had to take 480 to Broadway, to E. 131. Then GPS took me to E. 130 at Union. I've never been down E. 130 before until today. I kind of knew where I was was, but was shocked at how close I was when I turned onto Griffing. I knew that Mount Pleasant and Ludlow were right next to each other, just didn't realize how drastic the change was, and (even as a life long Clevelander). E. 130th and Griffing is boarded up houses/stores and vacant lots. But you go one block east and get to Moreland and it is pristine suburbia (still city of Cleveland).

I'm pretty well traveled, but I've never seen anything like this, and in my own backyard.

Here's the street view visual.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4752...7i16384!8i8192

I'm wondering if there are any other places where there is such a change from absolute poverty to middle class in the USA in a one block area?
Lower east side of Detroit to Grosse Pointe Park, no contest what so ever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7K_usAyD-E









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Old 10-20-2019, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Frederick, MD / Baltimore, MD
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Detroit's 8 Mile Road is the most famous example, though there isn't as much of a class divide as popular culture might have you thinking (looking at you, Eminem): Moderator cut: link removed, competitor site

It's more of a racial divide if anything, though even that is starting to change with blacks moving across the historical dividing line: https://detroit.cbslocal.com/wp-cont...8/picture3.jpg

Baltimore's Greenmount Ave (part of MD-45) divides a largely lower class, African-American area from a middle class area where a lot of Johns Hopkins students live: https://amp.businessinsider.com/imag...de-960-720.jpg (it's the vertical line roughly running down the middle of the city)

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Old 10-21-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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The Troost divide in KC is pretty classic. Major wealth just west of the street and major blight poverty just east. Also less known, but when I was going to school up near Boston. Truman Avenue between Milton, MA and Boston’s Hyde Park.
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Madison, NJ
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Redevelopment - one side of the street vs the other
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9234...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9544...7i13312!8i6656
vs 1 block over
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9530...7i13312!8i6656

Orange, NJ https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7702...7i16384!8i8192
to West Orange, NJ, up the block
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7716...7i16384!8i8192

Paterson, east side of Passaic River
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9224...7i16384!8i8192
Fair Lawn, across the river
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9243...7i16384!8i8192
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:19 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Its not quite a 1 block area, but if you drive West out of Philadelphia along Lancaster Ave (Route 30), you go from some of the city's roughest sections to some of the nations wealthiest suburbs in probably a 3 mile stretch.

You literally see the change when you cross over the border from Philadelphia County into Montgomery County.
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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For sure driving out Detroit's east side and hitting Grosse Pointe is crazy.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:23 AM
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I'm going to preface this to say that this definitely wasn't the first time I've been in Mount Pleasant or Ludlow (Cleveland), but it was the first time I had to take this exact route. Long story short, those from Cleveland coming from the south knows I-77 north is closed (at least on weekends, I don't go that way during the work week so not sure if it's only weekends). Anyway, pretty much all my life for me to get to Ludlow since I've lived on either the west side or south, it was E. 55th to Woodland to Buckeye (still a hood trek but at least you can see Buckeye getting "better" the closer you are to South Moreland (Ludlow).

Since I-77 is closed once you get to the city (I-480), and I'm now south, had to take 480 to Broadway, to E. 131. Then GPS took me to E. 130 at Union. I've never been down E. 130 before until today. I kind of knew where I was was, but was shocked at how close I was when I turned onto Griffing. I knew that Mount Pleasant and Ludlow were right next to each other, just didn't realize how drastic the change was, and (even as a life long Clevelander). E. 130th and Griffing is boarded up houses/stores and vacant lots. But you go one block east and get to Moreland and it is pristine suburbia (still city of Cleveland).

I'm pretty well traveled, but I've never seen anything like this, and in my own backyard.

Here's the street view visual.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4752...7i16384!8i8192

I'm wondering if there are any other places where there is such a change from absolute poverty to middle class in the USA in a one block area?
Mattapan Square In Boston to Milton MA.

Mattapan pop. 36”5k . Child poverty is 35-40% . Population is 82% African American and 5% white.

Milton pop. 28k. Child poverty is in single digits and population is 70% white and 14% African American.


These two share less of a direct border

Lawrence MA and Andover/North Andover MA

LAWRENCE pop. 81 k. 82% Latino. Poverty 27%.
Andover pop. 36 k. Poverty 6%. 82% white and 4% Latino.


I’d also shout out Maplewood NJ (burb) and Irvington NJ (hood)
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:24 AM
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The Troost divide in KC is pretty classic. Major wealth just west of the street and major blight poverty just east. Also less known, but when I was going to school up near Boston. Truman Avenue between Milton, MA and Boston’s Hyde Park.
More so Mattapan Square and Milton or back in the day Mission Hill and Brookline.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:25 AM
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New Jersey and Connecticut have a lot of these.
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