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Old 10-21-2019, 10:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Cities with all four major professional teams:

New York
Los Angeles
Chicago
Washington/Baltimore (using CSA here)
Boston
San Francisco/Oakland
Philadelphia
Dallas
Miami
Detroit
Phoenix
Minneapolis
Denver
Why are you including Baltimore with D.C.? I could see this when Washington didn’t have an MLB team, or even when the Bullets/Wizards played in Baltimore, but what’s the point now of including them?

San Francisco/Oakland doesn’t have an NHL team. San Jose is in a completely different metro. Also when the Raiders move they’ll be without an NFL team playing in it as well. While the 49’ers are San Francisco in name, and it would be silly to call them anything else, they play in Santa Clara which is actually in the San Jose metro.
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:52 PM
 
Location: WA Desert, Seattle native
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Yes, as I stated earlier, I am not including metro's within a CSA. So you are correct with Bal/WA. I did make an exception here with San Jose, but again, you are correct that San Jose is not part of the the SF/Oakland msa. Point taken. These things get a little fuzzy in big multiple team markets! In general though, my list is accurate. I also probably need to update my metro population figures, though most are still pretty much the same.
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Old 10-22-2019, 12:04 AM
 
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#13 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA MSA, 4,622,361, would probably include them in the LA metroplex

#30 Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown, TX MSA, 2,168,316, getting MLS in 2021

#37 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA, 1,728,733, tried getting an expansion NHL team or a relocated NBA team in the past, but need a new arena

#38 Providence-Warwick, RI-MA MSA, 1,621,337, tried getting the Pats before Gillette Stadium was built in Foxoboro

#44 Richmond, VA MSA, 1,306,172, planning to build a new arena, but no real talk of getting an NBA or NHL team

#45 Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN MSA, 1,297,310, have the arena, but no NBA team yet

#48 Hartford-East Hartford-Middletown, CT MSA, 1,206,300, need a new arena to get an NHL to move there

#49 Birmingham-Hoover, AL MSA, 1,151,801, need a new arena


It should be noted that Louisville not only has an NBA ready arena, but also an MLS ready soccer stadium (well, close with a few thousands seats added at one end)

Louisville is constructing a 200 Million dollar soccer stadium district in the already awesome Butchertown neighborhood. That's where the top tier NWSL team is announcing a tier one women's pro franchise.

This will make Louisville, to my knowledge, the first and only MSA to attain tier one pro city status in women before men. It should be noted Louisville has second division pro soccer for men (USL), and baseball (AAA).
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Old 10-22-2019, 05:23 AM
 
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It should be noted that Louisville not only has an NBA ready arena, but also an MLS ready soccer stadium (well, close with a few thousands seats added at one end)

Louisville is constructing a 200 Million dollar soccer stadium district in the already awesome Butchertown neighborhood. That's where the top tier NWSL team is announcing a tier one women's pro franchise.

This will make Louisville, to my knowledge, the first and only MSA to attain tier one pro city status in women before men. It should be noted Louisville has second division pro soccer for men (USL), and baseball (AAA).
Pete, I assume you were born in 1948? I would love for you to see an NBA expand/relocate to your beloved Louisville before you die, but I'm not sure when and if the NBA is going to expand to 32 teams, since many already feel the league is "watered-down" and should contract teams (which I don't feel will ever happen, in any of the "Big 4" btw). Maybe when they do expand, it will be Las Vegas and Louisville?

I've also heard rumors about Memphis, while playing in a relatively newer arena (FedExForum 2004), doesn't like their lease and might bolt when it ends, so there's another possibility for Louisville.

As for the MLS, we can debate whether or not they are on par with the "Big 4". The league is looking for their 30th team, now that Sactown was granted the 29th team yesterday, but the new Louisville USL stadium will need to be upgraded to attract the attention of MLS. I can see Las Vegas, Phoenix, Charlotte and maybe even Indianapolis in the running for that last (until they decide to expand again) and 30th team spot, before Louisville gets a chance.
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Old 10-22-2019, 05:42 AM
 
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What has always seemed stupid to me is giving desert/south cities NHL teams while leaving Cleveland, which seems like maybe the most obvious location for an NHL franchise in the country, without one.
Clevelanders can drive to Toledo to see a Walleye game.
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Old 10-22-2019, 06:16 AM
 
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Definitely Virginia Beach/Norfolk, VA areas, or Richmond, VA.
I think Central/SE Virginia is potentially the biggest "miss" in pro sports franchising currently in terms of lack of overlap with neighboring teams, and financial demographics in terms of disposable income needed to attend games. A well placed sports venue/team in say Williamsburg would be central to a combined two MSA total of over 3 million in population.
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Old 10-22-2019, 06:49 AM
 
Location: VB
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This will make Louisville, to my knowledge, the first and only MSA to attain tier one pro city status in women before men. It should be noted Louisville has second division pro soccer for men (USL), and baseball (AAA).
I think that's Norwich-New London, CT with the WNBA's Connecticut Sun playing at the Mohegan Sun casino in Uncasville. The WNBA's short-lived (and slightly older) rival, the American Basketball League, had a team in Richmond, VA for one season, though the city had previously shared in hosting the ABA's Virginia Squires (based in Norfolk).

Louisville also had a team in the ABA (the Kentucky Colonels). Upon the league's merger with the NBA, the owner (John Y. Brown Jr.) took a buyout to dissolve the team. He wanted to keep operating in the NBA (as would the Nets, Nuggets, Spurs, and Pacers), but the Chicago Bulls fought against it, as they had the NBA rights to Colonels superstar Artis Gilmore. So Brown took the money, bought the Buffalo Braves, eventually trading franchises(!) with Celtics owner Irv Levin (who moved the Braves to San Diego and renamed them the Clippers; the next owner would move them to Los Angeles). Brown sold his share of the Celtics in 1979 and was elected Governor of Kentucky later that year.

Gilmore was acquired by the Bulls in the ABA dispersal draft, and would go on to play 13 seasons in the NBA (after having played five with the Colonels), making six NBA All-Star teams and retiring with the highest field goal percentage in pro basketball history. He was inducted in the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 2011.
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Old 10-22-2019, 07:16 AM
 
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Clevelanders can drive to Toledo to see a Walleye game.
Why would they travel 2 hours to see an ECHL team (worse league than the AHL) when they have an AHL team in Cleveland? If they were going to travel 2 hours, wouldn't Clevelanders just go to Columbus to see a better product in the NHL?
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Old 10-22-2019, 07:30 AM
 
Location: VB
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I think Central/SE Virginia is potentially the biggest "miss" in pro sports franchising currently in terms of lack of overlap with neighboring teams, and financial demographics in terms of disposable income needed to attend games. A well placed sports venue/team in say Williamsburg would be central to a combined two MSA total of over 3 million in population.
A primary issue with Virginia is poor regional cooperation in the Richmond and Hampton Roads metro areas, stemming from the Independent Cities structure of government in the state (cities are county-equivalents, functionally independent of the jurisdictions neighboring them). Richmond may have 1.3 million people in the MSA but the City of Richmond itself has less than 20% of that (the two counties surrounding Richmond have half the metro population). The city lost its AAA baseball team a decade ago in large part because the the various governments couldn't agree on a plan to update or replace the stadium (one of the few things there that is run by a regional authority).

In Hampton Roads, the problem is similar, with the "seven cities" (there are actually nine in the MSA) each doing their own thing. Either Norfolk or Virginia Beach is likely to make the next move in terms of an arena there (whenever that happens), but don't expect one to help the other out with it, even though they are neighbors and could both benefit from it.

So the only chance VA has is a Stan Kroenke sort of figure swooping in and dropping a billion or two. In a way, this is what appears to be happening with the Richmond Coliseum (private funding for a new 17.5k-seat arena).
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Old 10-22-2019, 07:52 AM
 
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What is the reasoning for Richmond building a new arena? 17500 is really large.
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