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Old 10-29-2019, 05:23 PM
 
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Milwaukee. The political divide between Milwaukee and its neighbor, Waukesha County, is astounding.
I used to live in that area and never noticed a big divide.
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:46 PM
 
Location: FW, Indiander
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Newark and it's not even close. I don't often hear suburbanites asking if it's safe to attend St. Louis Cardinals or Blues games but you sure enough do for the Devils. Even attending Red Wings games doesn't have that stigma.
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:27 PM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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Rochester NY seems to have that stigma where many suburban residents are dead set that if they set foot in "the city" they will immediately be stabbed, raped, and murdered. Most are well-to-do white baby boomers/Gen X'ers who never venture out of their affluent suburbs.
Such sad, boring little lives. Buffalo has their fair share of such people, too. Personally, I'd hate to feel trapped in suburbia.
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:31 PM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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I met a man from Baghdad who now lives in one of the St Louis sprawl-burbs. He told me he doesn't let his kids go into the city because it's "too dangerous." He was being completely serious.
Ha, that's a good one. Given the significant Arab-American population in metro Detroit, it makes me wonder what the perception of Detroit city proper in that subset of the population is, which from my understanding is concentrated in a couple 'burbs, like Dearborn.
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:40 PM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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That's most suburbanites across upstate NY as a whole though lol. Definitely not unique to Rochester. Upstate people are overly afraid of anything that's seen as even remotely urban.
Yeah, I agree with this overall, although less so for millennials than for older generations. Which is such a depressing mindset, especially given how unspectacular upstate NY suburbs are (really, I'd say this about essentially any suburb I've ever seen)--I don't care if you live in what might be the nicest suburb in upstate NY, Brighton outside Rochester--I'd never want to be 'confined' to that town. There's little sense of life in upstate 'burbs, outside of the summer months anyway.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:27 PM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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Newark and it's not even close. I don't often hear suburbanites asking if it's safe to attend St. Louis Cardinals or Blues games but you sure enough do for the Devils. Even attending Red Wings games doesn't have that stigma.
The only time I ever drove through Newark, en route from a random NJ exurb where a friend lived to NYC, I was stopped at a red light, and some guy pulled up on my right with a let's just say 'very noticeably customized' car, music absolutely blaring. I couldn't help but glance over due to the attention-grabbing nature of his arrival at the red light, and when I did, he spat out his window, menacingly. This particular guy seemed to want to intimidate White Boy, and I'll admit that he succeeded in doing so. Ten agonizing seconds or so later, the light turned green, we drove an extra block or so alongside one another...and I then noticed police lights in my rearview, as he was getting pulled over, perhaps for violating the NJ state decibel limit via his subwoofer.

The above notwithstanding, my friend lived in what he referred to as the 'ghetto' of Newark for around a year while working at their newspaper, and he reported no problems--he seemed to enjoy it, if primarily for its proximity to NYC. I'll admit that from what I saw in my limited exposure, that would be one of the few cities in this country where I'd...not necessarily want to be there.
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Old 10-30-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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St. Louis. Unless you are going to a baseball game you simply never need or even really want to be in the city itself.
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Old 10-30-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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In Chicago, it feels this way, even though downtown is fairly safe. Most suburbanites who work in the suburbs rarely, if ever venture into the city, unless they're going to some special event, sporting event, concert etc. And most who commute to work in the city only go there, then immediately go back home once they're off. I'd say there's a fairly large suburban/city divide for the most part in Chicago, and I'm pretty sure feeling unsafe in the city is absolutely at least a part of this divide.
I'm not sure safety is part of it so much as people just don't want to spend 8 hours on the Stevenson just to go to a museum or whatever. New York is definitely the same, although more density and better public transit makes it a bit easier. Especially if you have a family it's just plain hard to find enough reason to bother.

St. Louis, Detroit, and other cities don't have bad traffic as an excuse. You can be in downtown St. Louis in 30 minutes or less at most hours of the day (and night) from anywhere in the metro. But people won't do it.
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Old 10-30-2019, 08:20 AM
 
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I used to live in that area and never noticed a big divide.
Politically, there is a big divide. Milwaukee is the only city in the US, that has had 3 Socialist mayors. Waukesha and Washington Counties are very Republican.
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Old 10-30-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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I don't see younger people have issues venturing from the suburbs to the Core. Yes some older who may have left the city for reasons as White-flight will less.

But even they know the change in Chicago's core and find restaurants theater music venues etc. Is more attractive for a visit then in the past. But young people as even in the 80s movie " Ferris Breulers Ds off". Certainly take in the city and to the beaches. Especially if in the a North and Northeast Suburbs.

When I lived in Chicago on the Northwest side in the 80s. No older White relative ever thought of heading downtown. It was seen as lost to what they knew it as. State St retail decimated as they knew it.

Times change and your people are not with baggage of some past issues. The Core of Chicago shines and calls them. Not the suburban malls..... and if they have parents who work in the Core. They are far less likely to instill fill in it. Clearly, safety tips and the usual street-smarts and areas not really in the core to avoid.
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