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Old 10-30-2019, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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It may make some people feel better to assume or accuse people who live in suburbs of "fear" of the city. But many people who move to the suburbs just don't care much for more urban environments, including but not limited to congestion, traffic, sirens, etc. And let's get real - most people don't visit museums over and over again - not enough to justify the downside of living closer to them. And many people just don't care one way or the other about a pub scene.

When I want to go to a concert or something like that, I'll sigh and get in my car and drive there usually. If it's worth it to me. Meanwhile, the other 300 plus days of the year, I don't have to deal with things I don't care for in an urban environment.

Just for some perspective.
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Old 10-30-2019, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Such sad, boring little lives. Buffalo has their fair share of such people, too. Personally, I'd hate to feel trapped in suburbia.
Personally, I'd hate to deal with what I consider the downsides of urbania. That doesn't mean I have a sad,boring little life - quite the opposite to me, though you probably wouldn't like it (and I probably wouldn't like your life either). Different phases, different people, and a whole lot of options to choose from! I love being an American!
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Old 10-30-2019, 03:59 PM
 
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It may make some people feel better to assume or accuse people who live in suburbs of "fear" of the city. But many people who move to the suburbs just don't care much for more urban environments, including but not limited to congestion, traffic, sirens, etc. And let's get real - most people don't visit museums over and over again - not enough to justify the downside of living closer to them. And many people just don't care one way or the other about a pub scene.

When I want to go to a concert or something like that, I'll sigh and get in my car and drive there usually. If it's worth it to me. Meanwhile, the other 300 plus days of the year, I don't have to deal with things I don't care for in an urban environment.

Just for some perspective.
While I understand what you are saying, I think the point is that the core city can have a range of environments as well. So, for instance, these street views are within a core city: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0670...1b1!2i37?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9277...1b1!2i37?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8162...1b1!2i37?hl=en

So, I think what some are saying is that even within a core city with density, you can have neighborhoods that are safe, with a sizable yard and that are quiet. Some can have walkability as well.
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Old 10-30-2019, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Nevadafornia
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I've met people like this in Reno (they won't go near the downtown, at least). Haven't seen it in Seattle yet.
Downtown Reno was nice 10 to 15 years ago but now it's becoming more run-down.
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Old 10-31-2019, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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While I understand what you are saying, I think the point is that the core city can have a range of environments as well. So, for instance, these street views are within a core city: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0670...1b1!2i37?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9277...1b1!2i37?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8162...1b1!2i37?hl=en

So, I think what some are saying is that even within a core city with density, you can have neighborhoods that are safe, with a sizable yard and that are quiet. Some can have walkability as well.
Well, to be fair, those photos are from Syracuse, Buffalo, and Schenectady NY. I don't consider those to be big urban centers.

And my take away, from the OP and from other posters, was that many people think that "suburbanites" (who all live in some version of hell and all have the same hair style) are "afraid" to come into the city. My point is that for many suburbanites - they just don't LIKE urban centers all that much.
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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Well, to be fair, those photos are from Syracuse, Buffalo, and Schenectady NY. I don't consider those to be big urban centers.

And my take away, from the OP and from other posters, was that many people think that "suburbanites" (who all live in some version of hell and all have the same hair style) are "afraid" to come into the city. My point is that for many suburbanites - they just don't LIKE urban centers all that much.
I get that, but I also think and know that there are some that are honestly "afraid" or have a fear of going into the core city.

Even bigger core cities have such neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9882...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9898...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4351...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6466...2!9m2!1b1!2i37
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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I get that, but I also think and know that there are some that are honestly "afraid" or have a fear of going into the core city.

Even bigger core cities have such neighborhoods: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9882...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9898...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4351...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6466...2!9m2!1b1!2i37

Yeah there are probably just as many suburbanites "afraid" of going into the "big city" as there are urbanites who make stupid assumptions and generalizations about suburbia. That's my point.

As for suburban neighborhoods in the middle of big urban areas - I get that they exist. They are not the norm though for urban living. Lots of people who move to the suburbs just don't LIKE living smack dab in the middle of an urban environment, for a variety of reasons - fear being WAY down the list if existent at all.
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Old 10-31-2019, 11:14 AM
 
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Besides Detroit, that's just too easy. What are some other cities where the suburbanites avoid the core city due to fear?
I think the people who are afraid of going into a city are just afraid, period, and would be afraid of going into any city. My SIL is like this, and she was born in BK. She's just lived so long in the 'burbs, she is now literally terrified of going into the city (NYC) alone. She actually went with a tour group once, no kidding, because she was too afraid to go to the Met by herself.
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Old 10-31-2019, 11:27 AM
 
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To be fair, Levittown was a very early suburban experiment and it's actually pretty dense compared to a lot of later suburbia (pop. density is like 7,500 ppsm IIRC). That seems more hospitable to local businesses.
My husband's parents were among the first residents of Levittown. Interestingly, Levittown has a certain hipster-cachet among young NY couples, and they're rehabbing and remodeling the original homes in some pretty cool ways.
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Old 10-31-2019, 11:35 AM
 
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A lot of older New Jerseyans remember the race riots. They remember when cities essentially changed in the course of a few days. My relatives including parents are still wary of most of the cities in NJ, no matter what area of the city. I am 29 and comfortable going pretty much anywhere if I have a reason to do so. The Ironbound, Prudential Center and NJPAC in Newark for example, the Great Falls National Historical Park and Middle Eastern section of Paterson, Star Tavern in Orange for some of the best pizza in NJ. Are these 100% gentrified areas? No, but living in fear of even crossing the city lines of these places means you miss out on a lot of what makes NJ great. I think most people here are comfortable with NYC since that underwent its rebirth decades ago and people feel they have more of a reason to go, like concerts or Broadway, or taking Aunt Vicky to see the tree.
OMG, the Star Tavern...the best!

But Bunny's was always the best-worst, if you know what I mean, lol.
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