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Old 10-26-2019, 11:12 AM
 
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Hartford

Baltimore
^^^Those plus Bridgeport, Waterbury, New Haven, Schenectady and Camden.
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Old 10-26-2019, 11:17 AM
 
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Tons of smaller cities in MA fall into this category. Frontrunners would probably be Lawrence, Brockton, and Holyoke. Next step down would be Springfield, Lynn, Fitchburg, and Chelsea. Then some fear exists about Lowell, New Bedford, Haverhill, Fall River, and maybe Worcester. Lowell and Worcester have been getting better from a public perception POV over the last 2 decades or so.
The smaller Massachusetts cities are nowhere as bad as the smaller cities in Connecticut and New Jersey.
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Old 10-26-2019, 11:32 AM
 
Location: West Seattle
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Exactly. Even ground zero of American suburbia (Levittown) has a lot of non-chain restaurants.
To be fair, Levittown was a very early suburban experiment and it's actually pretty dense compared to a lot of later suburbia (pop. density is like 7,500 ppsm IIRC). That seems more hospitable to local businesses.
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Old 10-26-2019, 12:04 PM
 
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To be fair, Levittown was a very early suburban experiment and it's actually pretty dense compared to a lot of later suburbia (pop. density is like 7,500 ppsm IIRC). That seems more hospitable to local businesses.
It's almost as dense as LA
It does have that curved street + strip mall thing, though so it does feel very suburban
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Old 10-26-2019, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Cleveland, Ohio
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Old 10-26-2019, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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To be fair, Levittown was a very early suburban experiment and it's actually pretty dense compared to a lot of later suburbia (pop. density is like 7,500 ppsm IIRC). That seems more hospitable to local businesses.
The old "That's different", LOL!
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Old 10-26-2019, 04:17 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Washington DC used to be like this. But I'm glad it is no longer viewed this way.

Or at least it is significantly diminished.
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Old 10-27-2019, 10:32 AM
 
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Cincinnati. Though it may be less fear and more animosity.
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Old 10-27-2019, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Birmingham is the one that comes to mind for me.
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Old 10-27-2019, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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In Chicago, it feels this way, even though downtown is fairly safe. Most suburbanites who work in the suburbs rarely, if ever venture into the city, unless they're going to some special event, sporting event, concert etc. And most who commute to work in the city only go there, then immediately go back home once they're off. I'd say there's a fairly large suburban/city divide for the most part in Chicago, and I'm pretty sure feeling unsafe in the city is absolutely at least a part of this divide.
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