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View Poll Results: CA, OR, WA secession, yes or no?
Yes 21 28.77%
No 52 71.23%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-03-2019, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Whenever the topic of California and secession come up, people immediately leap to how CA would somehow be 'crippled'. That'a hogwash. And suddenly we'd have to 'buy' US federal govt property and lands? No just leave and we'll take it over and be happy about it.

You dont like us, in fact you hate us, so why r so mad at the prospect of us leaving, you obviously think youd be way better off-I sure as hell think we'd definitely be better off.

Furthermore I think CA, OR and WA would do just fine on their own as independent countries-God bless.
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Old 11-03-2019, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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California should give it a go this time around, with fires. Accept no FEMA dollars...I should think anyone willing to go it alone, would realize these dollars would no longer be available. California is kind of a mess...way too many problems to go it alone.
Likewise the $400B-$500B we pay into the federal pot every year surely should stay here as well.
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Old 11-03-2019, 10:54 PM
 
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Likewise the $400B-$500B we pay into the federal pot every year surely should stay here as well.
You'll need it. California's infrastructure hasn't been updated in the last 50 years, according to an article by Forbes Magazine. California roads are "some of the poorest in the nation and rapidly getting worse", according to Forbes Magazine.

Wait, you can read it for yourself.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasd.../#615f9ed73a23
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Old 11-03-2019, 10:55 PM
 
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I think it could work, but I'd be against it big time.
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Old 11-04-2019, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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You'll need it. California's infrastructure hasn't been updated in the last 50 years, according to an article by Forbes Magazine. California roads are "some of the poorest in the nation and rapidly getting worse", according to Forbes Magazine.
Fine by me, that's not a dealbreaker in the least.
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Old 11-04-2019, 08:54 AM
 
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Have you considered that perhaps it is the US federal government which is the poorly run one and the impediment to the states being able to get things done?

Let's look at some basic facts:

In terms of population California, Washington and Oregon would have 51 million people. That's more than Spain but a bit fewer than UK, France or Italy.

The GDP of those three states is about $3,800,000 million which would place it just behind Germany for the 5th largest economy in the World. What industries would that new country be lacking? It would have the four most highly valued companies in the world to begin with with Facebook picking up 6th place.

I'm pretty sure that economically the Pacific states would do just fine on their own.
Right wingers love to portray California as a
basket case because it is controlled by Democrats, however it is arguably the most successful state in the union. It us certainly the most innovative. Oregon and Washington are extremely successful states as well. A new west coast nation would be extremely viable. In fact, it would be one if the leading nations of the world from the day of it's inception.
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Old 11-04-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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Like my ex California wants independence and respect
And an uncle sam MasterCard
California pays more in federal tax then it receives. It is the rest of the country that wants a Cali MasterCard.
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Old 11-04-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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If you don't think the US military would destroy their economy on pull-out and in the aftermath you're being naive
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Old 11-04-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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On the contrary, I'd imagine the US would kill (so to speak) to maintain a West Coast presence, and pay handsomely.

Also, the new country would have its own military...paid for with the same money it's paying now to the US version.
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Old 11-04-2019, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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If you don't think the US military would destroy their economy on pull-out and in the aftermath you're being naive
Why is the inclination to destroy? We arent your enemies.

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Also, the new country would have its own military...paid for with the same money it's paying now to the US version.
It would be one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
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