US Metro Areas ranked by Average Annual Salary (fit in, crime rate)

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by sav858

If you and others are actually proud of your smugness then that's pretty pathetic.

Actually can you blame us for being smug? LOLjk

It's not that they talk about it, it's what and how they talk about it. People like to brag w/o seeming like they are bragging.

No I think your not accustomed to hearing successful people conversate. *winks*

What outta towners? copy what? not sure what you are even trying to say here

How about our work ethic? Our level of productivity? Our educational attainment levels? Start there.

Where did you read immigrants constitute the majority of the population? I have never seen that statistic. Last time I checked it was around 50% white. And just b/c you are an ethnic minority doesn't mean you are an immigrant. I'm mexican and filipino but my family has been in this country for 3 generations.

Actually what I mean is over 50% of Bay Area residents live in households headed by someone who is foreign born. SoCalers love to blame foreigners for all their problems but the Bay Area seems to thrive because of the influx of foreigners. Perhaps SoCal might want to figure out how to copy that too.

And it's not about getting "rich", it's about being successful and happy. Being rich and successful are too different things.

Happiness?
Happy? Bay Area residents are the happiest in the state too. Goes to show how different our experiences are even in the same state. Lots of frowning going on elsewhere in CA.

Q: How is California rated as a place to live?

A: One of the best places to live
Los Angeles County 47%
Orange/ San Diego 46%
Other Southern California 43%
Central Valley 41%
San Francisco Bay Area 67%
Other Northern California 55%
Statewide 50%

A: Nice, but not so outstanding
Los Angeles County 28%
Orange/ San Diego 34%
Other Southern California 36%
Central Valley 29%
San Francisco Bay Area 23%
Other Northern California 28%
Statewide 29%

A: About an average place
Los Angeles County 19%
Orange/ San Diego 17%
Other Southern California 14%
Central Valley 25%
San Francisco Bay Area 9%
Other Northern California 12%
Statewide 16%

A: Poor Place
Los Angeles County 7%
Orange/ San Diego 5%
Other Southern California 8%
Central Valley 4%
San Francisco Bay Area 0%
Other Northern California 0%
Statewide 4%

http://field.com/fieldpollonline/sub...rs/Rls2232.pdf

And what I was talking about originally anyways is the type of people that are leaving and the type of people that are replacing them. The real, down to earth middle class of the Bay Area are being pushed out and being replaced with yuppies and snobs.. And that is what I meant by the middle class who make the bay what it is and not the pretentious snobs of Marin County or SF.

And what Im trying to tell you is that the middle class here is more upwardly mobile. They find ways to make it work. Its called ambition.

Just b/c I point out the Bay Area's faults that people there don't like to admit and don't act like its better than everywhere else doesn't mean I am not from there; it's like if you don't have the typical Bay Area mentality then you must not be from there. I was born and raised in the Bay Area as were both of my parents and almost all of my family is there.

So what's your damage then? You know we think we're the sh**. Why should you now be irritated?

And yes I know not everyone is like that but a lot of people are and that mentality is more present there than anywhere else in CA. Also I grew up in Walnut Creek so hopefully that fact will help you understand where I am coming from. I have family in Vallejo since that's where my parents grew up and people there are not like as I describe nearly as much.

Oh, okay. My family is from Oakland(by way of the South Pacific) and most of the people I grew up only knew the hood growing up.

[operadivo]

Don't worry, my friend from SF goes on and on about how they are "old money" and how they eat money for breakfast.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Actually can you blame us for being smug? LOLjk


No I think your not accustomed to hearing successful people conversate. *winks*

Yes I can blame you for being smug, it's not a good quality and I can't for the love of god understand why anyone would want to be like that or actually be proud of it. And you really are full of yourself making some comment like that. I am successful as are my friends and family but just b/c you are successful doesn't mean you have to be smug and pretentious.

How about our work ethic? Our level of productivity? Our educational attainment levels? Start there.

What about your work ethic? It's not any better here than anywhere else. The Northeast has a harder work ethic than anywhere out west. And so do all of these things somehow give you a free pass to be completely full of yourself?

Actually what I mean is over 50% of Bay Area residents live in households headed by someone who is foreign born. SoCalers love to blame foreigners for all their problems but the Bay Area seems to thrive because of the influx of foreigners. Perhaps SoCal might want to figure out how to copy that too.

Please show me where the hell you got that statistic b/c it doesn't sound true at all and I've never read anything like that. And plenty of people in the Bay Area have a problem with illegal immigrants just as much as SoCal, especially when you leave the bubbles of Sf and Berkeley. And people in SoCal don't blame immigrants for all of their problems and that's BS. And there is a big difference between a poor illegal immigrant and some foreigner brought over from India to work in the technology sector on a work visa.

Happiness?
Happy? Bay Area residents are the happiest in the state too. Goes to show how different our experiences are even in the same state. Lots of frowning going on elsewhere in CA.

Of course you have to tell yourself and make yourself believe its the best place when you pay that much or what's the point. And the pathetic thing is many Bay Area or Northern CA natives have never lived anywhere else yet somehow now it's the best place on earth.

So what's your damage then? You know we think we're the sh**. Why should you now be irritated?

I guess it's just annoying when Northern Californian's claim to be so down to to earth and real when many of them a extremely smug and pretentious, like you. You like to brag and act like where your from is better than everywhere else, that's not a good trait or something to be proud of at all.

The Bay Area is a great place to live and has a lot going for it, but it's just the attitude SOME people have there that is truly pathetic and turn me off from it. So go ahead and keep posting some pointless stats b/c no one really cares or are impressed by them except for people like you who think the world revolves around San Francisco.

[KYLE1]

San Francisco is not the richest place in the US, sorry.

[south-to-west]

I think median income is more reflective of an area's wealth rather than average income. Average income figures can be skewed by having a small number of households with large incomes. Median income reflects moreso if an area has wide income disparities or not.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by sav858

Yes I can blame you for being smug, it's not a good quality and I can't for the love of god understand why anyone would want to be like that or actually be proud of it. And you really are full of yourself making some comment like that. I am successful as are my friends and family but just b/c you are successful doesn't mean you have to be smug and pretentious.

As a Metro Area, your not as successful, or productive. Sorry.

What about your work ethic? It's not any better here than anywhere else.

Oh really?
To find which cities are all work and no play, we measured how many residents punch the clock (U.S. Census) and the amount of overtime logged (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics). We then considered commute times (U.S. Census) and rates of high blood pressure and self-reported stress (CDC). Finally, we calculated how many vacation days go unused, as well as peoples' stress levels when they finally do escape (Expedia.com). In the end, Manchester worked its way to the top of our list.

Most Workaholic Cities
1 Manchester, NH F
2 San Francisco, CA F
3 Denver, CO F
4 Orlando, FL F
5 Durham, NC F
6 Charlotte, NC F
7 Aurora, CO F
8 Boise, ID F
9 Seattle, WA F
10 Anaheim, CA F
11 Portland, OR F
12 Arlington, TX F
13 Kansas City, MO D-
14 Fremont, CA D-
15 Austin, TX D-
16 Fort Wayne, IN D-
17 Riverside, CA D
18 Minneapolis, MN D
19 Indianapolis, IN D
20 Sioux Falls, SD D
21 St. Petersburg, FL D
22 Boston, MA D
23 Lincoln, NE D+
24 Fort Worth, TX D+
25 Baton Rouge, LA D+
26 Oakland, CA D+
27 Billings, MT D+
28 Burlington, VT D+
29 Jersey City, NJ D+
30 Wichita, KS D+
31 Norfolk, VA D+
32 Madison, WI D+
33 Bangor, ME D+
34 Columbus, OH D+


http://http://www.menshealth.com/cda...0012281eac____ (broken link)

The Northeast has a harder work ethic than anywhere out west.

Actually they have a well deserved reputation, but on average, Bay Area residents actually work more.

And so do all of these things somehow give you a free pass to be completely full of yourself?

Hell yes. If you dont like it, that's your problem.

Please show me where the hell you got that statistic b/c it doesn't sound true at all and I've never read anything like that.

In 2000, 47% of the Bay Area was immigrant stock. Meaning 47% of the Bay Area was either an immigrant or the US-born child of an immigrant. Only Miami and LA have higher percentages. Rest assured that since 2000, its surpassed the 50% mark.
FAIR: Metro Area Factsheet: San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, California CMSA

And plenty of people in the Bay Area have a problem with illegal immigrants just as much as SoCal, especially when you leave the bubbles of Sf and Berkeley. And people in SoCal don't blame immigrants for all of their problems and that's BS.

The Bay Area is by far the least hostile region in the state towards immigrants-we dont view them as a problem like most of SoCal does.
http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline...rs/RLS2171.pdf
http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline...rs/Rls2229.pdf

Of course you have to tell yourself and make yourself believe its the best place when you pay that much or what's the point.

Honey,
It is the best place.

And the pathetic thing is many Bay Area or Northern CA natives have never lived anywhere else yet somehow now it's the best place on earth.

Oh you misunderstand-The Bay Area is the most highky educated, wealthiest and most productive region in the state-and over half of our 7 Million residents are the product of immigration, With all due respect, after visiting other places, it only confirms what we suspected all along.

That there's no place like home.

I guess it's just annoying when Northern Californian's claim to be so down to to earth and real when many of them a extremely smug and pretentious, like you.

See this is another problem I have with Southern Californians and their incredibly self defeating and highly misinformed bubble.

Down there, people like to label places in a certain way. This is reflective in how the LA-tv machine depicts cities where shows take place. Sometimes they are just so wrong. All they do are continue stereotypes.

For example, SF is a city of carefree whimsical hippies and NY is full of rude cabdrivers and foul mouthed women and Chicago is full of fat bumpkins who look like Chris Farley.

So many Southern Californians are so ignorant of the outside world-I dont blame them, they live in a huge place that doesnt really require them to know much about other places. Chicago is unbelievably chic and San Francisco has hippies but so much more.

Perhaps the city the LA tv machine most misrepresents is LA itself. Were we to believe the tv shows, LA is an endless parade of beautiful buxom blondes, Ferraris and Rodeo Drive boutiques. Everyday is saturday and every night is friday.

The only problem is that most of us have actually been there and have seen what its really like.

You like to brag and act like where your from is better than everywhere else, that's not a good trait or something to be proud of at all.

Apparently, its more of a burden to you then it is to me.

The Bay Area is a great place to live and has a lot going for it, but it's just the attitude SOME people have there that is truly pathetic and turn me off from it. So go ahead and keep posting some pointless stats b/c no one really cares or are impressed by them except for people like you who think the world revolves around San Francisco.

This record, its broken.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

As a Metro Area, your not as successful, or productive. Sorry.

I wasn't talking about the SD Metro area vs. the Bay Area. I am talking about myself and my friends and family in the BAY AREA. So I am myself am not as successful as you just b/c you currently live in the Bay Area despite the fact neither of us knows one another's education level or current job? That is the most ridiculous thing to say.

Oh really?
To find which cities are all work and no play, we measured how many residents punch the clock (U.S. Census) and the amount of overtime logged (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics). We then considered commute times (U.S. Census) and rates of high blood pressure and self-reported stress (CDC). Finally, we calculated how many vacation days go unused, as well as peoples' stress levels when they finally do escape (Expedia.com). In the end, Manchester worked its way to the top of our list.

You really need to lay off these studies or reports b/c they are anything but scientific. They don't mean much at all and many times don't reflect reality. I think I saw on some Forbes list NYC was named one of the most miserable cities in America, SF might have been on that list too but it doesn't mean it is.

The Bay Area is by far the least hostile region in the state towards immigrants-we dont view them as a problem like most of SoCal does.
http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline...rs/RLS2171.pdf
http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline...rs/Rls2229.pdf

Have you ever lived in Southern CA? This region deals with many problems on a scale the Bay Area and Northern CA do not have. If you had as many illegal immigrants and many problems caused by them as Southern CA did I almost guarantee you those numbers would be different. Do smuggling boasts wash up ashore in SF? Do you have drug and smuggling tunnels constantly being found in the Bay Area? It's a different situation up there than it is in Southern CA and anyone with a half of brain would know that.

Honey,
It is the best place.

Oh you misunderstand-The Bay Area is the most highky educated, wealthiest and most productive region in the state-and over half of our 7 Million residents are the product of immigration, With all due respect, after visiting other places, it only confirms what we suspected all along.

That there's no place like home.

Have you actually ever lived anywhere else besides the Bay Area or Northern CA? Visiting a place is nothing like living in it. And what exactly are you confirming? preconceived notions of what you think a place is like? If you go visit a place with all these preconceived notions or stereotypes of what it should be like then that is all you will notice, see it all the time from Northern Californians that visit down here.

See this is another problem I have with Southern Californians and their incredibly self defeating and highly misinformed bubble.

Down there, people like to label places in a certain way. This is reflective in how the LA-tv machine depicts cities where shows take place. Sometimes they are just so wrong. All they do are continue stereotypes.

That is the biggest load of BS. Northern Californian's are constantly stereotyping Southern CA and talking trash on it, way more than the other way around; it reeks of an inferiority complex.

So many Southern Californians are so ignorant of the outside world-I dont blame them, they live in a huge place that doesnt really require them to know much about other places. Chicago is unbelievably chic and San Francisco has hippies but so much more.

Wow, what an incredibly close minded and ignorant statement! "[Up] there, people like to label places in a certain way" You just contradicted yourself, how can you say people in SoCal label certain places in certain way when YOU just did the same thing?!?!

How are Southern Californian's ignorant to the outside world? In case you didn't notice we border another country down here. Los Angeles and Southern Ca is more ethnically diverse than the Bay Area. And LA is a more international city and more diverse as well. What exactly it is that requires us to not know about other places? Northern Ca is much larger than Southern Ca in terms of area.

Perhaps the city the LA tv machine most misrepresents is LA itself. Were we to believe the tv shows, LA is an endless parade of beautiful buxom blondes, Ferraris and Rodeo Drive boutiques. Everyday is saturday and every night is friday.

The only problem is that most of us have actually been there and have seen what its really like.

That can be applied to pretty much every popular city the media likes to portray such as New York, SF, New Orleans, Miami, ect....

I am not the only person who has these feeling about the Bay Area, some of my friends, all natives, share many of the same feelings. Even visitors notice that attitude. And it's clearly present on these and other forums. The Bay Area is not what it used to be 10 years ago. It's much more money oriented/obsessed, more pretentious, and more full of itself. People like you need to learn about being humble and modest.

At least you recognize and seem to not mind that you are smug and pretentious so I'll give you that b/c many people there don't. Luckily most people in the Bay Area aren't like that or you, but that attitude does exist there more so than other places.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by sav858

I wasn't talking about the SD Metro area vs. the Bay Area. I am talking about myself and my friends and family in the BAY AREA. So I am myself am not as successful as you just b/c you currently live in the Bay Area despite the fact neither of us knows one another's education level or current job? That is the most ridiculous thing to say.

Yes, that's it, take it personal.

You really need to lay off these studies or reports b/c they are anything but scientific. They don't mean much at all and many times don't reflect reality.

No, you need to lay off relying on just your limited experience because its really not reflective of everyone else. The only thing that can confirm or debunk claims is what? research, studies and science.

Have you ever lived in Southern CA?

I graduated from UCLA and lived in Pacific Palisades for a few years. I visit LA about thrice monthly.

This region deals with many problems on a scale the Bay Area and Northern CA do not have.

So its more of an issue to people there-thus they are more anxious about it? Exactly what I said.

If you had as many illegal immigrants and many problems caused by them as Southern CA did I almost guarantee you those numbers would be different.

I agree.

Do smuggling boasts wash up ashore in SF?

Its not unheard of for containers full of chinese and SE Asians to be discovered at the Port of Oakland.

It's a different situation up there than it is in Southern CA and anyone with a half of brain would know that.

Yes, a much better situation. Where do we disagree? On the other hand, this is not our doing.

Have you actually ever lived anywhere else besides the Bay Area or Northern CA?

South America for about 5 years(In fact, I spend half my time in Sao Paulo now), Africa, Europe and Asia too. Polynesia for a few years, Utah and New York City as well, and Los Angeles. When did this become about me?

That is the biggest load of BS. Northern Californian's are constantly stereotyping Southern CA and talking trash on it, way more than the other way around; it reeks of an inferiority complex.

No, it reeks of pity.

How are Southern Californian's ignorant to the outside world?

Perhaps ignorant is the wrong word. Misinformed I think is a better word.

Los Angeles and Southern Ca is more ethnically diverse than the Bay Area.

No, its about the same actually.
Los Angeles CSA
White..................6,529,028.........37.81%
Black..................1,201,633...........6.96%
American Indian.......66,204............0.38%
Asian..................2,004,871..........11.61%
Pacific Islander.........48,656...........0.28%
Multiracial...............305,243...........1.76%
Hispanic..............7,108,396..........41.17%
Total..................17,264,031.........100.00%

San Francisco CSA
White...................3,586,858........48.71%
Black......................486,255..........6.60%
American Indian.........31,097..........0.42%
Asian...................1,435,082.........19.49%
Pacific Islander..........40,697...........0.55%
Multiracial................174,711..........2.37%
Hispanic...............1,605,699.........21.81%
Total.....................7,360,399.......100.00%

And LA is a more international city and more diverse as well.

Yet racial issues are so much more prevalent down there..hmmm interesting.

Northern Ca is much larger than Southern Ca in terms of area.

Um, this is a good thing.

I am not the only person who has these feeling about the Bay Area, some of my friends, all natives, share many of the same feelings.

Cry me a river.

Even visitors notice that attitude. And it's clearly present on these and other forums.

Yet despite our attitude, SF is always the city in CA out of staters like the best.

San Francisco tops list of best U.S. cities, again

TORONTO (Reuters Life!) - San Francisco may not be the biggest U.S. city or have the bright lights of New York, but it's once again captured the hearts of travelers, named the best U.S. city in a survey by Conde Nast Traveler magazine.
Over 28,000 people voted in the annual Readers Choice Awards conducted by the magazine which asked people to name their best cities, hotels, airlines, cruise lines and resorts.
"San Francisco, the No 1. U.S. city, has also been No. 1 for 17 of the past 18 years," the magazine said in a statement.

The Bay Area is not what it used to be 10 years ago.

Neither is anywhere else.

People like you need to learn about being humble and modest.

Why thanks, I'll look into that.

At least you recognize and seem to not mind that you are smug and pretentious so I'll give you that b/c many people there don't.

And apparently you dont recognize tongue in cheek.

Luckily most people in the Bay Area aren't like that or you

Thank Heavens for that.

But that attitude does exist there more so than other places.

At what point did I ever dispute this?

[lammius]

This is funny because the running joke at my company is about how LITTLE people in our Bay Area office work! Haha. Granted, our office isn't a representative sample.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

No, it reeks of pity.

No, it's an inferiority complex. Always telling yourself that you and your region is better than another region and there people for NO good reason at all is an inferiority complex.

Perhaps ignorant is the wrong word. Misinformed I think is a better word.

Wow, you are so full of yourself, which is typical of psued-intellectual types. If anything the Bay Area is a bubble of ignorance. It is has one of the LEAST diverse electorates of any major metropolitan area. When people talk about diversity they sure as hell aren't talking about diverse values, opinions, and viewpoints b/c most people there think and vote the same way. It's so easy sit around in some ideological circle jerk with others like yourself agreeing with each other and getting a false sense that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Sf and Berkeley do an amazing job at that; yeah a city where 97% of the people vote for the same presidential candidate is "diversity". I love it when people from the Bay Area talk about how they are more "aware, informed, intelligent, ect.." than everyone else to justify their narrow viewpoints. The "Smug Alert" South Park episode pretty much hit the nail on the head when it came to that BS. At least in Southern CA there are more diversity when it comes to values, thoughts, opinions, ect....

Yet despite our attitude, SF is always the city in CA out of staters like the best.

Conde Nast appeals to certain types of people and of course those types love SF, that magazine is hardly a reflection of the average tourist in the US. But it's not the most visited city in America OR California by a long shot. Both LA and SD get more visitors than SF. I'm not saying SF is not a great tourist destination but it's not the best.

Funny story about out of staters and their opinions on SF and SD. This past February I took 4 of my friends from the Bay Area and 5 of my friends from San Diego to New Orleans for Mardi Gras. And whenever people asked us where we were from we'd say the Bay Area and San Diego. Almost all the people said nice, complimenting things about SD but very few said much about the Bay Area. They didn't say anything negative,but nothing really positive either. This drove my Bay Area friends nuts and they started saying SD sucks, ect... then I'd ask why and the typical response was "the bay is just better". Very typical of an INFERIORITY COMPLEX. It bugged the hell out of them people there had a better opinion of SD than SF.

This is probably one of the best descriptions of SF I have seen: We, Like Sheep: Why I hate San Francisco


Man you are really arrogant and full of yourself and totally typical of the Bay Area stereotype people hate.