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California is 5.5% black. Gotta look at the other 94.5%
5.5% of 45-50 million people is still a LOT of actual people.
That 5.5% invented gang banging as we know it, introduced the ghetto to a new generation of "mainstream" America, launched two sub genres of one of the three most popular music styles, and is still a visible minority to this day. I guarantee NO ONE outside this forum knows California's population is less than 10% Black. Black Americans have a visibility that FAR outweighs our relative population and are often mistaken by Americans of all colors for having numbers FAR greater than the reality; for better and worse.
Black people have exported TONS of California culture with a twist that only Black people can apply. Most of those Black people have origins in East Texas and Louisiana.
But since you wanna talk about some of that other 95%, let's talk about many white Okies who found their way to California, as other posters have mentioned. Some of these Okies were likely a bit southern-fried themselves.
Let's not sell California's historical southern influence short.
Hey you added like 10 million people to California lol.
Regardless, Black people in California express a distinctly black Californian culture. People don’t think of it as southern and it really isn’t southern culture. While it may have southern roots....some Southern’s roots amongst 5.5% of the population is just that.
I don’t dispute the Texas and Louisiana thing that’s 100% true but the fact is many black people in California aren’t locals-and it’s just a very tiny chunk of the states population were getting into.
I’d need to know more about okies because my impression was many white Californians came from plains states north of there like Iowa Kansas and Nebraska..
None are very southern. I voted Arizona but it's probably pretty much a tie between California and Arizona. California has just gone so far in the other direction...
New Mexico is more southern than all of them. And with all that said, I don't think the "western" Texas cities have much in common with cities like Phoenix, Santa Fe, or Albuquerque.
Hey you added like 10 million people to California lol.
Regardless, Black people in California express a distinctly black Californian culture. People don’t think of it as southern and it really isn’t southern culture. While it may have southern roots....some Southern’s roots amongst 5.5% of the population is just that.
I don’t dispute the Texas and Louisiana thing that’s 100% true but the fact is many black people in California aren’t locals-and it’s just a very tiny chunk of the states population were getting into.
I’d need to know more about okies because my impression was many white Californians came from plains states north of there like Iowa Kansas and Nebraska..
Yeah.... We know Black California or any other ____ California culture ISN'T Southern...
The question is which place contains the most southern influence. Historically speaking, that answer is California for the reasons I and other posters have mentioned upthread.
And you're right, Arizona and Nevada have higher Black population percentages. But Where do you think those states got their Black (and majority of other) residents from? Historically southern influenced Southern California. Black folks from the Midwest are moving back to the south. Not Arizona or Nevada.
Even to this very day, Black Californians have a twang to their voice that many would mistake for southern if not careful and that's not accident or coincidence. What differentiates the Black California accent from what we know as a more traditional southern accent is the fact even the most hoodest, thugged out Black Californians are SUPER proper in their speech.
Listen to Snoop Dogg (Long Beach Native) talk, then listen to Erykah Badu (Dallas native). Tell me the voice inflections and vowel pronunciations aren't similar...
Yeah.... We know Black California or any other ____ California culture ISN'T Southern...
The question is which place contains the most southern influence. Historically speaking, that answer is California for the reasons I and other posters have mentioned upthread.
And you're right, Arizona and Nevada have higher Black population percentages. But Where do you think those states got their Black (and majority of other) residents from? Historically southern influenced Southern California. Black folks from the Midwest are moving back to the south. Not Arizona or Nevada.
Even to this very day, Black Californians have a twang to their voice that many would mistake for southern if not careful and that's not accident or coincidence. What differentiates the Black California accent from what we know as a more traditional southern accent is the fact even the most hoodest, thugged out Black Californians are SUPER proper in their speech.
Listen to Snoop Dogg (Long Beach Native) talk, then listen to Erykah Badu (Dallas native). Tell me the voice inflections and vowel pronunciations aren't similar...
This actually isn't true. They are definitely moving to those places, as are Black Californians. And yea Black Californians are probably a larger share of Nevadas population than Californians. If it's not higher it's probably about the same. Black culture is a weak argument for any of these states but Nevada probably has more of it-organically- nowadays.
California has a bunch of other more prominent cultures before or along with the Black culture. Samoan, Mexican, Korean, Japanese, Central American, Filipino, Armenian, Valley/WASP etc. etc.
Nevada, because it's less ethnically diverse-less so.
None are very southern. I voted Arizona but it's probably pretty much a tie between California and Arizona. California has just gone so far in the other direction...
New Mexico is more southern than all of them. And with all that said, I don't think the "western" Texas cities have much in common with cities like Phoenix, Santa Fe, or Albuquerque.
If you mean El Paso, I very much disagree with this. It has a lot in common with New Mexico and to a lesser extent Arizona. If you mean Lubbock, Amarillo, Midland, etc, then I agree. Those cities are more like Oklahoma than they are like the Mountain West. I don't think I would say that they are "southern", though. More like Great Plains-ian (but more than anything: Texan).
None are very southern. I voted Arizona but it's probably pretty much a tie between California and Arizona. California has just gone so far in the other direction...
New Mexico is more southern than all of them. And with all that said, I don't think the "western" Texas cities have much in common with cities like Phoenix, Santa Fe, or Albuquerque.
El Paso in my opinion is very much like the desert Southwest cities.
If you mean El Paso, I very much disagree with this. It has a lot in common with New Mexico and to a lesser extent Arizona. If you mean Lubbock, Amarillo, Midland, etc, then I agree. Those cities are more like Oklahoma than they are like the Mountain West. I don't think I would say that they are "southern", though. More like Great Plains-ian (but more than anything: Texan).
The west Texas/Panhandle part of Texas is an interesting mix of southern/great plains with a healthy dose of southwestern thrown in from the Spanish/Mexican/New Mexican from the hispanics who have been there for generations.
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