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Old 07-22-2008, 05:53 PM
 
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Can't forget Arabs too. There also Blacks in Turkey, the Middle East and in India too due to the Arab slave trade. So, they also can be of any race like "Hispanics".
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Old 11-02-2008, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Chicago metro
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I think you need to understand that the concept of a race is just a tool which people commonly accept as true. The Irish and the Italian were, at one point, considered a different race, yes. And now they are not. The Latinos from different parts of South and Central America are considered the same race, mostly out of convience. Just like Asians. We're not exactly counting the mustard seeds here guys.
I have one question. When Italians were not consider white in the US, what did they consider Italians back then?
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Old 11-02-2008, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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"Asians" are only part of Asia. The Middle East is in the same continent and did not obtain it's own 'moniker' until just a few decades ago. The first Iranian I ever met (70's) even said he "came from Asia". Asians are in the Orient part of Asia, and we referred to them as Orientals accordingly. Personally, I hate that this has changed because I always thought Orient/Oriental is a beautiful word. (So is Persia, but. . .)
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Old 11-02-2008, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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To answer this question over and over again:

Hispanics/Latinos: are of any race; Spanish are White, most most from Argentina and Uruguay are white; other than that many are of mixed ancestry, with the most common mixing being white and amerindian, or black and amerindian.

Is categorizing people into races arbitrary? Sure to some degree, but I think genetic differences between the races is stark enough to warrant an ethnic categorization. Let us not forget though that people have at least 50% genetic similarity to Bananas....so we're all one family.
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Old 11-02-2008, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Asians are a distinct race but Latinos are Caucasian.
Latino are actually Native American descendants, and NA supposedly came from Asia...
Some Latinos look full European, while some look almost completely Asian.
Latino is a very loose term
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Old 11-02-2008, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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Hell, Italians are "Latinos"! Romans, y'know?
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:12 AM
 
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Is categorizing people into races arbitrary? Sure to some degree, but I think genetic differences between the races is stark enough to warrant an ethnic categorization.
I read a couple of times that the genetic differences between races are actually not that stark.

From PBS series "Race":
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Our eyes tell us that people look different. No one has trouble distinguishing a Czech from a Chinese. But what do those differences mean? Are they biological? Has race always been with us? How does race affect people today? There's less - and more - to race than meets the eye:
1. Race is a modern idea. Ancient societies, like the Greeks, did not divide people according to physical distinctions, but according to religion, status, class, even language. The English language didn't even have the word 'race' until it turns up in 1508 in a poem by William Dunbar referring to a line of kings.
2. Race has no genetic basis. Not one characteristic, trait or even gene distinguishes all the members of one so-called race from all the members of another so-called race.
3. Human subspecies don't exist. Unlike many animals, modern humans simply haven't been around long enough or isolated enough to evolve into separate subspecies or races. Despite surface appearances, we are one of the most similar of all species.
4. Skin color really is only skin deep. Most traits are inherited independently from one another. The genes influencing skin color have nothing to do with the genes influencing hair form, eye shape, blood type, musical talent, athletic ability or forms of intelligence. Knowing someone's skin color doesn't necessarily tell you anything else about him or her.
5. Most variation is within, not between, "races." Of the small amount of total human variation, 85% exists within any local population, be they Italians, Kurds, Koreans or Cherokees. About 94% can be found within any continent. That means two random Koreans may be as genetically different as a Korean and an Italian.
6. Slavery predates race. Throughout much of human history, societies have enslaved others, often as a result of conquest or war, even debt, but not because of physical characteristics or a belief in natural inferiority. Due to a unique set of historical circumstances, ours was the first slave system where all the slaves shared similar physical characteristics.
7. Race and freedom evolved together. The U.S. was founded on the radical new principle that "All men are created equal." But our early economy was based largely on slavery. How could this anomaly be rationalized? The new idea of race helped explain why some people could be denied the rights and freedoms that others took for granted.
8. Race justified social inequalities as natural. As the race idea evolved, white superiority became "common sense" in America. It justified not only slavery but also the extermination of Indians, exclusion of Asian immigrants, and the taking of Mexican lands by a nation that professed a belief in democracy. Racial practices were institutionalized within American government, laws, and society.
9. Race isn't biological, but racism is still real. Race is a powerful social idea that gives people different access to opportunities and resources. Our government and social institutions have created advantages that disproportionately channel wealth, power, and resources to white people. This affects everyone, whether we are aware of it or not.
10. Colorblindness will not end racism. Pretending race doesn't exist is not the same as creating equality. Race is more than stereotypes and individual prejudice. To combat racism, we need to identify and remedy social policies and institutional practices that advantage some groups at the expense of others.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA, USA
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Well, the US Census has somewhat an interesting way of classifying people.

Asians may include people who’s ancestry come from East Asia (e.g., China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc.), Southeast Asia (e.g., Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, etc.), the Philippines (though people debate about this as well), South Asia (e.g., India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc.)

Anthropologists classify people from East Asia, Southeast Asia as “Mongoloids”. While people from South Asia are classified as “Caucasoid” (genetically, they are actually closer to Middle Easterns and European than they are to Mongoloids).

Yet, the US Census also classifies people from the Middle East (Arabs, Persians as “white”). Anthropologists classify Middle Easterns as “Caucasoid”.

It is interesting to note that in the UK, when you call someone “Asian” the people will think of South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis) and not East Asians. East Asians such as Chinese are simply Chinese, etc.

Many people in America think of white people as a Caucasoid with European ancestry and not somebody from India, etc.

Perhaps, a more accurate classification would be European Caucasoid (which many people consider as “white”) and Asian Caucasoid (which should include Arabs, Persians, Indians, Pakistanis, Afghans, etc.). Then again, there are people in North Africa from Morroco, Libya, Egypt, etc. who are also Caucasoid.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:58 AM
 
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Latinos are not caucasian.

So are black Puerto Ricans and black Dominicans caucasian? They're latino, so by your arguement they must be caucasian.

I guess on some forms latinos are considered caucasian but in the real world, people don't view latinos as caucasian with the exception of people from a few "white" South American countries and Spain.
Black Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are black, just like any other black race people thoughout the world, regardless of the country of origin. Latino is a culture not a race.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:05 PM
 
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This is a picture of Melanesians, yet many Indonesians look just like them.

Most Indians don't look "Asian", either.

Yet these people are considered to be of the same race as Koreans.


Btw, Melanesians and Australian Aborigines fall into the "racial" category of Pacific Islanders in America. Often grouped together with the "Asian" and/or "Native American" race.
These people are clearly of the black race. They are not the same "race" as Koreans, They only share the same Asian geographical location as Koreans. Thus, the appropriate name for these individuals would be black Asians.

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