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Old 11-02-2017, 03:15 PM
 
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Actually in case you haven’t noticed the metro areas of many Rust Belt cities are declining as well, including Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, and so on. It’s not just the city propers.
Not necessarily, as many have slowed down in terms of declines or some like Rochester have never had a population decline in an official census. Grand Rapids has also seen some population growth as well. So, that will depend on the metro area.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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Not necessarily, as many have slowed down in terms of declines or some like Rochester have never had a population decline in an official census. Grand Rapids has also seen some population growth as well. So, that will depend on the metro area.
Will maybe some have, some haven’t. But as for the aforementioned places there’s where my point lies.
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Old 11-02-2017, 09:22 PM
 
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Will maybe some have, some haven’t. But as for the aforementioned places there’s where my point lies.
There are other metros in the region though and even the ones that you mentioned have seen their share of development.
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Old 11-02-2017, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Actually in case you haven’t noticed the metro areas of many Rust Belt cities are declining as well, including Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, and so on. It’s not just the city propers.
This is so hilariously wrong, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You're just name dropping cities and assuming bad things are happening based on media clichés, you're unaware of their metro's as well as city limits.

Metro's like Detroit have GDP increases of 2.2% (2016) outperforming the country and income gains double the national average along with slow population growth. Rustbelt metros like Detroit are very healthy right now. Pittsburgh is also a leader in tech especially robotics.
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Old 11-03-2017, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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this is so hilariously wrong, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. You're just name dropping cities and assuming bad things are happening based on media clichés, you're unaware of their metro's as well as city limits.

Metro's like detroit have gdp increases of 2.2% (2016) outperforming the country and income gains double the national average along with slow population growth. Rustbelt metros like detroit are very healthy right now. Pittsburgh is also a leader in tech especially robotics.
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:00 AM
 
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It is quite apparent to most of us that this forum is very heavily-slanted towards generally autocentric cities in the Sunbelt, namely Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, Phoenix, and much of Florida. Meanwhile,historically-significant cities like Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Scranton, Cleveland, Detroit, Gary, Newark, Camden, Syracuse, Binghamton, etc. continue to struggle and wallow around in self-deprecation, white flight, and rising crime and poverty issues. Is the Rust Belt truly dying, or will it soon round the corner? I can definitely see light at the end of the tunnel for places like Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton, PA and Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, PA as the BosWash Corridor continues to expand westward and devours both metropolitan areas as commuters search for inexpensive real estate, but what about cities that are unable to "leech" off of the success of other more prominent cities nearby? Why has everyone developed such a hatred for the Rust Belt? You can't replicate the Tudors of Buffalo or the Victorians of Scranton in some sterile suburb along Lake Norman in North Carolina. Why is the latter so much more popular?
Well, I think it's more a city-by-city and state-by-state depending on state fiscal policy and the municipalities' willingness to change. Illinois for example seems to be in a death spiral while Indiana has reconstituted its economy. Michigan has seen real economic progress in its western areas. So the term Rust Belt is a bit of a misnomer.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-a...nity-politics/
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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Well, I think it's more a city-by-city and state-by-state depending on state fiscal policy and the municipalities' willingness to change. Illinois for example seems to be in a death spiral while Indiana has reconstituted its economy. Michigan has seen real economic progress in its western areas. So the term Rust Belt is a bit of a misnomer.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-a...nity-politics/
Not only western Michigan, but greater Detroit as well. The economy in the city is very healthy and the auto industry has been on a roll for years now!
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Old 11-03-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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Actually in case you haven’t noticed the metro areas of many Rust Belt cities are declining as well, including Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, and so on. It’s not just the city propers.
I can't speak for the others, but suburban Detroit has never lost population and it's economy has always been fairly solid, moving with national trends. There have been areas of the suburbs that have peaked and lost population, mostly due to smaller household sizes, but the decline overall has been almost entirely from the city itself.

Metro Detroit has been doing very well the past few years. Earlier this summer its unemployment rate hit 3.6% and has fluctuated back up to the low 4% range.

It's created 238,000 jobs in the past 7 years. The metro is seeing the first solid growth in jobs since the 1990's.

Michigan overall has been doing fantastic, packing on almost 500,000 jobs in the past six years.
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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I can't speak for the others, but suburban Detroit has never lost population and it's economy has always been fairly solid, moving with national trends. There have been areas of the suburbs that have peaked and lost population, mostly due to smaller household sizes, but the decline overall has been almost entirely from the city itself.

Metro Detroit has been doing very well the past few years. Earlier this summer its unemployment rate hit 3.6% and has fluctuated back up to the low 4% range.

It's created 238,000 jobs in the past 7 years. The metro is seeing the first solid growth in jobs since the 1990's.

Michigan overall has been doing fantastic, packing on almost 500,000 jobs in the past six years.
Um, Wayne County (where Detroit lies) has actually lost population itself.
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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Um, Wayne County (where Detroit lies) has actually lost population itself.
Wayne County is one county in a multi-county region that has been disproportionately affected by the 144 sq mi exodus in the city of Detroit. Or are you asserting that Wayne County is Rustbelt, and that Oakland, Macomb, Washtenaw, and Livingston County's are not because they don't fit your narrative?
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