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Old 06-01-2010, 08:25 PM
 
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Also, liberals nor Reagan-style conservatives are the answer. We need tariffs and pride in our products again.
The thing is that it will never happen since all sides have an interest not to do so, partially since it winds up being reciprocal. Part of the rust belt problem is thinking that it will and just hold out hope for that point, it prevents having to do much of the heavy lifting to change an economy.
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:19 AM
 
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They will come back once they start voting Republican and business will be booming. Seriously, many of them depended on manufacturing, which is in decline. Not only won't Americans work at $2.00 an hour, manufacturing doesn't provide as many jobs per unit of production anymore. Many are perceived as too cold, but some may become attractive for other reasons. For example, Detroit has a low cost of living and is close to Canada.
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:28 AM
 
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They will come back once they start voting Republican and business will be booming. Seriously, many of them depended on manufacturing, which is in decline. Not only won't Americans work at $2.00 an hour, manufacturing doesn't provide as many jobs per unit of production anymore. Many are perceived as too cold, but some may become attractive for other reasons. For example, Detroit has a low cost of living and is close to Canada.
You just touched on something this often ignored, the mechanization of manufacturing. Actually that is something that can offset wage differences since a high-tech manufacturing is one person doing the same amount of work can be paid better than several people and still a company can come out ahead.(especially paying only one set of benefits) The manufacturing that remains will often be stuff that can't be sent overseas for logistical or practical reasons or that they are rather advanced. Those jobs might also require a better-educated workforce as well. That and the area has to be more competitive with other parts of the US as well.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:49 AM
 
Location: The Lakes
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Yes, but also look how prosperous our nation's " most Conservative" cities are --- Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Greenville, Birmingham, Richmond, Jackson, Nashville, Knoxville, Mobile - all are way up there on the fast growing, most affordable, and "best places to raise a family" lists.
I hope this is sarcasm. I'd never raise my kids in Nashville, Jackson, Bham, or Richmond.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:51 AM
 
Location: The Lakes
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You just touched on something this often ignored, the mechanization of manufacturing. Actually that is something that can offset wage differences since a high-tech manufacturing is one person doing the same amount of work can be paid better than several people and still a company can come out ahead.(especially paying only one set of benefits) The manufacturing that remains will often be stuff that can't be sent overseas for logistical or practical reasons or that they are rather advanced. Those jobs might also require a better-educated workforce as well. That and the area has to be more competitive with other parts of the US as well.
Still leaves more people out of work.

We need to return to what we had when we had our REAL boom.
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Old 06-02-2010, 12:38 PM
 
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Still leaves more people out of work.

We need to return to what we had when we had our REAL boom.
I think with technology it is near impossible to have that happen. What would be needed to have a REAL boom to start? From what I hear a lot of people think on it is that it would be both unrealistic and could easily make things worse for everyone else.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: The Lakes
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I think with technology it is near impossible to have that happen. What would be needed to have a REAL boom to start? From what I hear a lot of people think on it is that it would be both unrealistic and could easily make things worse for everyone else.
What we need for a boom? Stop importing and spending money we don't have, instead invest into becoming an exporting/crediting nation.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:04 PM
 
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Yes. I'm looking forward to seeing cities like St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, etc. regain their shine.
St. Louis has started to in the last decade, its just that people outside the area don't know about it yet. Acutally that is another issue that will be more apparent is at least half the old industrial cities and metro areas have stabilized and starting to get a solid footing, its just going to take time for perception to catch up. I have heard more than a few people think things haven't changed in trends from 30 years ago in a number of places.

I have noticed as well that the further away from the Rust Belt core, the better an area is in terms of recovery.
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Old 06-02-2010, 05:46 PM
 
Location: metro ATL
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Yes, but also look how prosperous our nation's " most Conservative" cities are --- Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Greenville, Birmingham, Richmond, Jackson, Nashville, Knoxville, Mobile - all are way up there on the fast growing, most affordable, and "best places to raise a family" lists.
Firstly, all of the cities on that list aren't conservative, Atlanta and Houston most notably. Secondly, I don't know of any lists where cities like Mobile, Jackson, Birmingham, etc. are "way up there" on these lists you speak of. They certainly aren't rapidly-growing places.
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:13 PM
 
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Firstly, all of the cities on that list aren't conservative, Atlanta and Houston most notably. Secondly, I don't know of any lists where cities like Mobile, Jackson, Birmingham, etc. are "way up there" on these lists you speak of. They certainly aren't rapidly-growing places.
There is a gap in growth patterns between the Atlantic Coast states and Texas that most of the areas are growing not much more or even less in cases than the Rust Belt. (Nashville becoming big exception here)
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