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Old 06-19-2008, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Southeast Missouri
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America is much more spread out that Europe.

And not everyone lives in a suburb and could live in a city with public transportation. I live 3 hours from the nearest major cities (St. Louis and Memphis). We're not a suburb. We're rural. We can't just move to a city with public transportation.

Honestly, this whole notion is inconsiderate and ridiculous.
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Old 06-19-2008, 08:14 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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As the price of gas and diesel goes up, so will the bus fares. Our bus system in Denver has a policy that 1/3 of its operating costs have to come from the fare box.
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:07 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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Increasing the gas prices are certainly the way to go.

Us Americans have finally had our rude awakening in regards to our ignoring the plentiful amount of alternatives we've had the chance to use to avoid this crisis.

The end of the oil monopoly on cars is coming.... sooner than most people think.
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:32 PM
 
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Yes, Americans love to consume. If you haven't realized it, our economy is a based on consumption. The more people consume the more money there is passed along into everyone's pockets.
The broken window fallacy ... the fallacious idea that consumption=economic growth. The assumptions of supply-side economics, which have been shown to be very flawed.

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It looks like some people who have made posts are under the impression that we in the US are the only ones on the planet who are having to pay a lot more for gasoline these days. They make it sound like it's our love of evil SUVs and NASCAR that has brought us to this crisis. People who think that clearly have no understanding of how a global economy operates, and they clearly have an anti-capitalist agenda.

I was reading in the paper the other day that these high gas prices might actually cause some manufacturers to start manufacturing in the US again. The cost of gas has also gone up in China, India, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Mexico, and pretty much everywhere else. That and the low dollar are the reasons Kia is building a huge factory in Georgia, Toyota is building a huge factory in Mississippi, Nissan has moved some manufacturing from Mexico to the US, and Volkswagen is going to build a huge factory in either Huntsville AL or Chattanooga TN (announcement to be made next month). It'll be a heck of a lot cheaper to manufacture cars here in the US that are going to be sold in the US rather than ship them all the way here from Korea, Mexico or Germany.

I can guarantee you that if the high cost of gas means it'll be too expensive to ship DVD players from China to the US, some entrepreneur will open a DVD factory right here in the US.

The point I'm trying to make is this: if gas prices remain this high, it won't be the end of the world. Things will be tight for a while, but over time we'll learn to adjust. An article in the paper the other day said that more people are growing gardens because of the higher food prices. With the recent tomatoes/salmonella outbreak, that's probably not such a bad thing. And because of our love of suburbia and homes with lawns, most Americans can actually grow gardens (unlike most of our European friends who are relegated to live in government apartments).

I'm seeing more people carpool, more people ride their bikes, and more people walking.

So, I say let the free market continue to work its magic. Fewer people will buy cars, but more people will buy bikes or scooters. Fewer people will buy prepacked salads, but more people will buy gardening equipment. Fewer people will go to Disney World, but more people will spend their money closer to home. And so on.

Those of us who are old enough to remember the fiasco the last time the government tried to control a gas crisis also remember the long lines, the gas rationing, the cheating and the black market. It was Soviet-style economics, and it was rotten. Thank you, Jimmy Carter.
Excellent post. I agree that over time, people and society will adjust if the government doesn't try to interfere and mess it all up. There will always be outsiders trying to say what is the best way for others to live... but the people actually living in the situation are the ones that will know best how to adjust. It's not all doom and gloom... most things are very complex in the good/bad effects they can create in society. Short term impacts are not necessarily the same as long term impacts.
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Southeast Missouri
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Increasing the gas prices are certainly the way to go.

Us Americans have finally had our rude awakening in regards to our ignoring the plentiful amount of alternatives we've had the chance to use to avoid this crisis.

The end of the oil monopoly on cars is coming.... sooner than most people think.
Not everyone has access to public transportation and not everyone can pick and move to a major city. Let's just evacuate all of Missouri except St. Louis and Kansas City because no one else has public transportation!

How about NO! Not everyone is some evil suburbanite who drives an hour to work and refuses to move to the city (though for those with kids I don't blame them for not wanting city schools). Some people don't live in suburbs. Some live in small towns and don't make much to begin with. What about farmers? They need gas, too.

Honestly, the whole premise for this thread is completely inconsiderate of rural dwellers. Not every one can or wants to pack up and move to a city. Some people like peace and quiet and the outdoors, even though in rural areas people usually make less.

Please, consider other people before making ludicrous comments.
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Old 06-20-2008, 08:18 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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Not everyone has access to public transportation and not everyone can pick and move to a major city. Let's just evacuate all of Missouri except St. Louis and Kansas City because no one else has public transportation!

How about NO! Not everyone is some evil suburbanite who drives an hour to work and refuses to move to the city (though for those with kids I don't blame them for not wanting city schools). Some people don't live in suburbs. Some live in small towns and don't make much to begin with. What about farmers? They need gas, too.

Honestly, the whole premise for this thread is completely inconsiderate of rural dwellers. Not every one can or wants to pack up and move to a city. Some people like peace and quiet and the outdoors, even though in rural areas people usually make less.

Please, consider other people before making ludicrous comments.
So why is gasoline the only solution for fuel?

There are plenty of alternatives that we can invest in and use (that have been proven to work). You don't have to live in a city to use electric cars, hydrogen fuel, or water power.
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