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Old 04-09-2009, 02:05 PM
 
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Race IS the biggest issue.

Blacks have the lowest average IQ. This corresponds with the smallest cranial size.
All black nations are third world.
There have been very few inventions from blacks.

The Irish were discriminated against, so were the Jews. So were many other segments of society. Do you see these other groups having difficulty? No.

Studies even show that whites of low-socioeconomic status outperform upper income blacks on IQ tests, college graduation rates, and they also tend to have lower crime rates.

Are you that blind to see the reality?
I'm not blind to the fact that you will ignore socioeconomic factors in your so-called "analysis", nor am I blind to the fact that you really should be posting this on Stormfront, not here.

There are reasons that blacks in this country are disadvantaged, and mainly it is because of the way people like you treat them - and how you justify your racism by trying to assign the problems blacks suffer to their genetic makeup instead.

Please do not post anymore, I might just get sick.

 
Old 04-09-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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I'm not blind to the fact that you will ignore socioeconomic factors in your so-called "analysis", nor am I blind to the fact that you really should be posting this on Stormfront, not here.

There are reasons that blacks in this country are disadvantaged, and mainly it is because of the way people like you treat them - and how you justify your racism by trying to assign the problems blacks suffer to their genetic makeup instead.

Please do not post anymore, I might just get sick.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/IQ-4races-rotate-highres.png (broken link)
Source: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...te-highres.png (broken link)


# 1 District of Columbia:57.8 %
# 2 Mississippi :37.2 %
# 3 Louisiana:32.5 %
# 4 South Carolina:28.9 %
# 5 Georgia:28.7 %
# 6 Maryland:28.5 %
# 7 Alabama:26 %
# 8 North Carolina:21.2 %
# 9 Delaware:19.8 %
# 10 Virginia:19.3 %
# 11 Tennessee:16.3 %
# 12 New York:15.8 %
# 13 Arkansas:15.3 %
# 14 Florida:15.1 %
# 15 Illinois:14.7 %
# 16 Michigan:14 %
# 17 New Jersey:13.1 %
# 18 Ohio:11.7 %
# 19 Missouri:11.2 %
# 20 Texas:11 %
# 21 Pennsylvania:10 %
# 22 Connecticut:9.3 %
# 23 Indiana:8.1 %
# 24 Oklahoma:7.1 %
# 25 Nevada:6.9 %
# 26 Kentucky:6.8 %
# 27 California:6.2 %
# 28 Massachusetts:6 %
# 29 Wisconsin:5.7 %
# 30 Rhode Island:5.5 %
# 31 Kansas:5.1 %
# 32 Minnesota:4.1 %
# 33 Colorado:4 %
# 34 Nebraska:3.6 %
# 35 Alaska:3.4 %
# 36 Washington:3.3 %
# 37 West Virginia:3.1 %
# 38 Arizona:3 %
# 39 New Mexico:2.3 %
# 40 Iowa:2.2 %
= 41 Hawaii:1.7 %
= 41 Oregon:1.7 %
= 43 New Hampshire:0.8 %
= 43 South Dakota:0.8 %
= 43 Wyoming:0.8 %
= 43 Utah:0.8 %
= 47 Maine:0.6 %
= 47 North Dakota:0.6 %
# 49 Vermont:0.5 %
= 50 Idaho:0.3 %
= 50 Montana:0.3 %

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State Percent White
#1 Vermont:96.1 % (Northeast)
#2 Maine:96 % (Northeast)
#3 West Virginia:94.6 % (hybrid)
#4 New Hampshire:94.1 % (Northeast)
#5 South Dakota:93.4 % (Midwest)
#6 Iowa:91.6 % (Midwest)
#7 North Dakota:91.1 % (Midwest)
#8 Kentucky:89.2 % (South)
#9 Montana:89.1 %
#10 Wyoming:88.6 %
#11 Idaho:87 %
#12 Minnesota:86.6 % (Midwest)
#13 Wisconsin:86.3 % (Midwest)
#14 Nebraska:86 % (Midwest)
#15 Indiana:84.7 % (Midwest)
#16 Utah:84.4 %
#17 Kansas:83.8 % (Midwest)
#18 Ohio:83.4 % (Midwest)
#19 Missouri:83.2 % (Midwest)
#20 Pennsylvania:83.1 % (Northeast)
#21 Oregon:81.9 %
#22 Massachusetts:80.3 % (Northeast)
#23 Rhode Island:80.1 % (Northeast)
#24 Michigan:78.2 % (Midwest)
#25 Tennessee:78.2 % (South)
#26 Arkansas:77.5 % (South)
#27 Washington:77.3 %
#28 Connecticut:75.7 % (Northeast)
#29 Oklahoma:73 % (South)
#30 Colorado:72.4 %
#31 Delaware:70.4 % (South)
#32 Alabama:69.9 % (South)
#33 North Carolina:68.8 % (South)
#34 Virginia:68.7 % (South)
#35 Alaska:67.1 %
#36 Illinois:66.1 % (Midwest)
#37 South Carolina:65.9 % (South)
#38 New Jersey:63.6 % (Northeast)
#39 Florida:62.6 % (South)
#40 Louisiana:62.1 % (South)
#41 Nevada:61.1 %
#42 New York:60.9 % (Northeast)
#43 Arizona:60.9 %
#44 Georgia:60.4 % (South)
#45 Mississippi:60.2 % (South)
#46 Maryland:59.7 % (South)
#47 Texas:49.5 % (South)
#48 California:44.2 %
#49 New Mexico:43.1 %
#50 District of Columbia:29 %
#51 Hawaii:22.9 %

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What about the effect of race & the SAT?
The SAT's Growing Gaps
Source: news: The SAT's Growing Gaps - Inside Higher Ed (news:%20The%20SAT's%20Growing%20Gaps%20-%20Inside%20Higher%20Ed - broken link)
SAT Scores by Race and Ethnicity, 2008
American Indian 485 -2 491 -3 470 -3 -8
Asian American 513 -1 581 +3 516 +3 +5
Black 430 -3 426 -3 424 -1 -7
Mexican American 454 -1 463 -3 447 -3 -7
Puerto Rican 456 -3 453 -1 445 -2 -6
Other Hispanic 455 -4 461 -2 448 -2 -8
White 528 +1 537 +3 518 no change +4

Public School Graduation Rates in the U.S. (Note how Kentucky outperforms New York...but note how blacks and Hispanics graduate at a much lower rate than Asians and whites in all states)
Civic Report 31 | Table 1

"The national graduation rate for the public school class of 2000 was 69%. The rate for white students was 76%; for Asian students it was 79%; for African-American students it was 55%; for Hispanic students it was 53%; and for Native Americans it was 57%."
Source Civic Report 31 | Public School Graduation Rates in the United States

Wealth & Nations: (Note how nations in Africa are amongst the most poor)

side by side with nation & IQ

Africa lags in U.N wealth ranking
Africa Lags In U.N. Wealth Ranking - CBS News

Poverty does not cause crime
In 1995, among the American poor, there were 16.3 million Whites (real ones), 10.0 million Blacks, 8.6 million "Hispanics," and 1.4 million Asians. Blacks comprised about 27.6% of the American poor. These poverty numbers can be verified by clicking on the link provided below.

Source: http://www.census.gov/hhes/poverty/pov95/povest1.html (broken link)

During that year, Blacks committed about 54% of all US murders. Remember that the FBI, from whom the murder information comes, counts "Hispanics" as "Whites," making the total number of poor persons eligible to be committing murders as "Whites" about 24.8 million. These "Whites" comprised 68.5% of the American poor, but committed - at most - only 46% of 1995 US murders, if we make the doubtful assumption that Asians and Amerindians committed none. The evidence argues against the liberal hypothesis that poverty causes crime.

Poverty, you still say?

Poverty, you still say? Let's take a look at the state of West Virginia.

West Virginia Almanac from NETSTATE

Lowest crime rate in America:
Crimes Reported per 100,000 (1992-1993) 2,532.6 Rank 51st
Violent Crimes 208.4 Rank 48th
Almost the lowest per capita income:
Per capita income (2000)
Source:Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. Department of Commerce $21,738 Rank 49th
Disposable personal income per capita (2000)
Source:Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. Department of Commerce $19,156 Rank 49th

Median income of households(1993) $22,421 Rank 50th
West Virginia QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

West Virginia - 95% White, 3.2% Black
Median household income, 1999 $29,696 (USA National Average - $41,994)
Per capita money income, 1999 $16,477 (USA National Average - $21,587)
Persons below poverty, percent, 1999 17.9% (USA National Average -12.4%)

As of 2003 West Virginia blacks accounted for just 3.2% of the total population and 34.9% of the total prison poulation.

Race & Test Scores

But there is a major flaw in the thesis that income differences explain the racial gap. Consider these three observable facts from The College Board's 2005 data on the SAT:

[LEFT]• Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.

• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.

• Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.

Source:
http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_coll...ions-test.html (broken link)

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Old 04-09-2009, 03:49 PM
 
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# 1 District of Columbia:57.8 %
# 2 Mississippi :37.2 %
# 3 Louisiana:32.5 %
# 4 South Carolina:28.9 %
# 5 Georgia:28.7 %
# 6 Maryland:28.5 %
# 7 Alabama:26 %
# 8 North Carolina:21.2 %
# 9 Delaware:19.8 %
# 10 Virginia:19.3 %
# 11 Tennessee:16.3 %
# 12 New York:15.8 %
# 13 Arkansas:15.3 %
# 14 Florida:15.1 %
# 15 Illinois:14.7 %
# 16 Michigan:14 %
# 17 New Jersey:13.1 %
# 18 Ohio:11.7 %
# 19 Missouri:11.2 %
# 20 Texas:11 %
# 21 Pennsylvania:10 %
# 22 Connecticut:9.3 %
# 23 Indiana:8.1 %
# 24 Oklahoma:7.1 %
# 25 Nevada:6.9 %
# 26 Kentucky:6.8 %
# 27 California:6.2 %
# 28 Massachusetts:6 %
# 29 Wisconsin:5.7 %
# 30 Rhode Island:5.5 %
# 31 Kansas:5.1 %
# 32 Minnesota:4.1 %
# 33 Colorado:4 %
# 34 Nebraska:3.6 %
# 35 Alaska:3.4 %
# 36 Washington:3.3 %
# 37 West Virginia:3.1 %
# 38 Arizona:3 %
# 39 New Mexico:2.3 %
# 40 Iowa:2.2 %
= 41 Hawaii:1.7 %
= 41 Oregon:1.7 %
= 43 New Hampshire:0.8 %
= 43 South Dakota:0.8 %
= 43 Wyoming:0.8 %
= 43 Utah:0.8 %
= 47 Maine:0.6 %
= 47 North Dakota:0.6 %
# 49 Vermont:0.5 %
= 50 Idaho:0.3 %
= 50 Montana:0.3 %

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State Percent White
#1 Vermont:96.1 % (Northeast)
#2 Maine:96 % (Northeast)
#3 West Virginia:94.6 % (hybrid)
#4 New Hampshire:94.1 % (Northeast)
#5 South Dakota:93.4 % (Midwest)
#6 Iowa:91.6 % (Midwest)
#7 North Dakota:91.1 % (Midwest)
#8 Kentucky:89.2 % (South)
#9 Montana:89.1 %
#10 Wyoming:88.6 %
#11 Idaho:87 %
#12 Minnesota:86.6 % (Midwest)
#13 Wisconsin:86.3 % (Midwest)
#14 Nebraska:86 % (Midwest)
#15 Indiana:84.7 % (Midwest)
#16 Utah:84.4 %
#17 Kansas:83.8 % (Midwest)
#18 Ohio:83.4 % (Midwest)
#19 Missouri:83.2 % (Midwest)
#20 Pennsylvania:83.1 % (Northeast)
#21 Oregon:81.9 %
#22 Massachusetts:80.3 % (Northeast)
#23 Rhode Island:80.1 % (Northeast)
#24 Michigan:78.2 % (Midwest)
#25 Tennessee:78.2 % (South)
#26 Arkansas:77.5 % (South)
#27 Washington:77.3 %
#28 Connecticut:75.7 % (Northeast)
#29 Oklahoma:73 % (South)
#30 Colorado:72.4 %
#31 Delaware:70.4 % (South)
#32 Alabama:69.9 % (South)
#33 North Carolina:68.8 % (South)
#34 Virginia:68.7 % (South)
#35 Alaska:67.1 %
#36 Illinois:66.1 % (Midwest)
#37 South Carolina:65.9 % (South)
#38 New Jersey:63.6 % (Northeast)
#39 Florida:62.6 % (South)
#40 Louisiana:62.1 % (South)
#41 Nevada:61.1 %
#42 New York:60.9 % (Northeast)
#43 Arizona:60.9 %
#44 Georgia:60.4 % (South)
#45 Mississippi:60.2 % (South)
#46 Maryland:59.7 % (South)
#47 Texas:49.5 % (South)
#48 California:44.2 %
#49 New Mexico:43.1 %
#50 District of Columbia:29 %
#51 Hawaii:22.9 %

Source:Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitors sites is not allowed

What about the effect of race & the SAT?
The SAT's Growing Gaps
Source: news: The SAT's Growing Gaps - Inside Higher Ed (news:%20The%20SAT's%20Growing%20Gaps%20-%20Inside%20Higher%20Ed - broken link)
SAT Scores by Race and Ethnicity, 2008
American Indian 485 -2 491 -3 470 -3 -8
Asian American 513 -1 581 +3 516 +3 +5
Black 430 -3 426 -3 424 -1 -7
Mexican American 454 -1 463 -3 447 -3 -7
Puerto Rican 456 -3 453 -1 445 -2 -6
Other Hispanic 455 -4 461 -2 448 -2 -8
White 528 +1 537 +3 518 no change +4

Public School Graduation Rates in the U.S. (Note how Kentucky outperforms New York...but note how blacks and Hispanics graduate at a much lower rate than Asians and whites in all states)
Civic Report 31 | Table 1

"The national graduation rate for the public school class of 2000 was 69%. The rate for white students was 76%; for Asian students it was 79%; for African-American students it was 55%; for Hispanic students it was 53%; and for Native Americans it was 57%."
Source Civic Report 31 | Public School Graduation Rates in the United States

Wealth & Nations: (Note how nations in Africa are amongst the most poor)

side by side with nation & IQ

Africa lags in U.N wealth ranking
Africa Lags In U.N. Wealth Ranking - CBS News

Poverty does not cause crime
In 1995, among the American poor, there were 16.3 million Whites (real ones), 10.0 million Blacks, 8.6 million "Hispanics," and 1.4 million Asians. Blacks comprised about 27.6% of the American poor. These poverty numbers can be verified by clicking on the link provided below.

Source: http://www.census.gov/hhes/poverty/pov95/povest1.html (broken link)

During that year, Blacks committed about 54% of all US murders. Remember that the FBI, from whom the murder information comes, counts "Hispanics" as "Whites," making the total number of poor persons eligible to be committing murders as "Whites" about 24.8 million. These "Whites" comprised 68.5% of the American poor, but committed - at most - only 46% of 1995 US murders, if we make the doubtful assumption that Asians and Amerindians committed none. The evidence argues against the liberal hypothesis that poverty causes crime.

Poverty, you still say?

Poverty, you still say? Let's take a look at the state of West Virginia.

West Virginia Almanac from NETSTATE

Lowest crime rate in America:
Crimes Reported per 100,000 (1992-1993) 2,532.6 Rank 51st
Violent Crimes 208.4 Rank 48th
Almost the lowest per capita income:
Per capita income (2000)
Source:Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. Department of Commerce $21,738 Rank 49th
Disposable personal income per capita (2000)
Source:Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. Department of Commerce $19,156 Rank 49th

Median income of households(1993) $22,421 Rank 50th
West Virginia QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

West Virginia - 95% White, 3.2% Black
Median household income, 1999 $29,696 (USA National Average - $41,994)
Per capita money income, 1999 $16,477 (USA National Average - $21,587)
Persons below poverty, percent, 1999 17.9% (USA National Average -12.4%)

As of 2003 West Virginia blacks accounted for just 3.2% of the total population and 34.9% of the total prison poulation.

Race & Test Scores

But there is a major flaw in the thesis that income differences explain the racial gap. Consider these three observable facts from The College Board's 2005 data on the SAT:

[LEFT]• Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.

• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.

• Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.

Source:
http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_coll...ions-test.html (broken link)

[/LEFT]

Check this out:Thin Ice: "Stereotype Threat" and Black College Students - 99.08

Expert Report of Claude Steele


YouTube - Tim Wise: On White Privilege (Clip)

Keep in mind that Hispanic is not a race, it is an ethnicity. So, most do consider themselves to be White racially.

Also, Black people do not make up that percentage of all people in poverty. That is the percentage based on the group itself. It's around 25% for Blacks within the group, not of the nation's poor.

Considering that much of the violence revolves around drugs, how are such persons getting drugs that they didn't bring in or allow into the country?

Then, you have the reality of many prisoners in prison due to non-violent offenses. People also don't think about the "big business" aspect of prisons. Isn't it ironic that most prisons are in rural areas that aren't that diverse? So, when you count a prison population that is highly "minority" in the population of a town, that town benefits off of really a false diversity for things like funding and jobs. You can look at Ny for example, in which 75% of the prisoners in the state come from 7 sections of NYC, that happen to be predominately people of color.


Also, if you notice, most of the states that are highly ranked in terms of violent crime are mostly highly urban states.

As for the other groups mentioned in terms of discrimination, there is a difference. It's called assimilation due to their race/skin color. That video I posted gets into that somewhat.

Isn't also ironic how many would Anglicize their surnames so that they could assimilate ultimately?

No Black inventors? Here you go: Black Inventors A-Z

The Black Inventor Online Museum

Famous Black Inventors

John Dove - The Creator of CD Rom Technology

and many more.

Affrimative action actually benefits Whites more(really common sense considering White women make up about 33-35% of the total US population and are the biggest historically disenfranchised group in the country. That's also not counting the realities of who they usually marry.):Affirmative Action for Rich, White Kids?

White Women and Affirmative Action

Who benefits most from affirmative action? | Jet | Find Articles at BNET

Focus on Affirmative Action (http://www.aapf.org/focus/episodes/oct30.php - broken link)


Our country has given reparations before, but many don't know about it:New Page 0

Lastly, a myth buster about Blacks and education:JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Black Immigrants, An Invisible 'Model Minority'

African immigrants to the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 04-09-2009, 04:14 PM
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Race IS the biggest issue.

Blacks have the lowest average IQ. This corresponds with the smallest cranial size.
All black nations are third world.
There have been very few inventions from blacks.

The Irish were discriminated against, so were the Jews. So were many other segments of society. Do you see these other groups having difficulty? No.

Studies even show that whites of low-socioeconomic status outperform upper income blacks on IQ tests, college graduation rates, and they also tend to have lower crime rates.

Are you that blind to see the reality?


At least the Irish and the Jews had the chioce to come to the USA, stay in the USA, or go back to their homelands. I'm not taking away from their history. I am saying their history in the USA isn't like what blacks in America have gone through. Blacks didn't have the option to "immigrate", they were either sold out or kidnapped and then brought to the USA against their will.

You seem to believe that black people all over the world are a lost cause. Well, I don't. I should know. I am black and I am on my way to getting a college degree.
 
Old 04-09-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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At least the Irish and the Jews had the chioce to come to the USA, stay in the USA, or go back to their homelands. I'm not taking away from their history. I am saying their history in the USA isn't like what blacks in America have gone through. Blacks didn't have the option to "immigrate", they were either sold out or kidnapped and then brought to the USA against their will.

You seem to believe that black people all over the world are a lost cause. Well, I don't. I should know. I am black and I am on my way to getting a college degree.
Also, with that, they are able to fully assimilate due to race. So, it was more temporary on those terms of discrimination.
 
Old 04-09-2009, 05:44 PM
 
Location: British Columbia.
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Race per se is not the issue.

That a certain segment of our population was treated disparately (to seriously understate it), causing members of that "race" to be disadvantaged culturally and economically, is the real issue. That's what I assume people mean by the effects of slavery (and subsequent discrimination).

Those people could have been from any race and the effects would have been the same, so race isn't the issue.

I tend to agree with this statement, race is really not the issue, its history and culture two things which are always changing!

Can you imagine 2000 years ago what the Romans thought of the celts and germanic tribes of northern europe? They were seen as backwards, barbarians, with no culture or civilization of their own. Many people don't know it but Julis Ceaser commited mass genocide on the gothic tribes that was so barbaric and evil we would cringe today. Blonde haired children were considered a sought after commodity in the Greco/Roman world for house and sex slaves. The effects of that masscare lasted hundreds of years.

The reality is that people are not fluid, and neither is race. In the past 6,000 thousand years at different times in history different groups of people have been more dominant then others. Thats just the way human beings are. There is a good argument that the Chinnese people are probably one of the oldest and most consistent civilizations in the world. In one form or another China has had a huge impact on the world and is just beginning to resurge again.

You can't simply take a snap shot of history and make a judgemenmt, you have to look at the totality of human history to appreciate the scope of how messed up we all have been at some point.
 
Old 04-09-2009, 09:55 PM
 
Location: The Country of Virginia
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Its just been that way for ever, south wins on crime.

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Old 04-09-2009, 11:04 PM
 
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Its just been that way for ever, south wins on crime.




Ive heard about stories in the south were in one neighboorhood in mississippi 60 people were killed in a neighboorhood shootout over 1 single girl.
 
Old 04-10-2009, 02:36 AM
 
Location: New England & The Maritimes
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The difference is in the north we dont blame black people for all of our crimes and the punishment is rarely death.
 
Old 04-10-2009, 04:18 AM
 
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Ive heard about stories in the south were in one neighboorhood in mississippi 60 people were killed in a neighboorhood shootout over 1 single girl.
That's exactly what that is....a story.
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