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Old 04-10-2009, 09:39 AM
 
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What is the point of this article, that people are stereotyping blacks, in terms of the reasons for their lack of success in college? It could be both, lack of capacities, and lack of preparation. Those who are capable and those who do prepare will do fine, regardless.

Are we going to call the tests racist? Why do Asian score well on them?

The SAT's Growing Gaps
Source: news: The SAT's Growing Gaps - Inside Higher Ed (news:%20The%20SAT's%20Growing%20Gaps%20-%20Inside%20Higher%20Ed - broken link)
SAT Scores by Race and Ethnicity, 2008
American Indian 485 -2 491 -3 470 -3 -8
Asian American 513 -1 581 +3 516 +3 +5
Black 430 -3 426 -3 424 -1 -7
Mexican American 454 -1 463 -3 447 -3 -7
Puerto Rican 456 -3 453 -1 445 -2 -6
Other Hispanic 455 -4 461 -2 448 -2 -8
White 528 +1 537 +3 518 no change +4

The SAT isn't a verifiable measure between states, but between different races, it is verifiable: Why? You can't tweak or manipulate statistics at the individual level. However, at the state level, you can, given that not everyone within a state takes the test:
See below:

The SAT

State SAT rankings are worse than meaningless, say Ball State experts
Source: State SAT rankings are worse than meaningless, say Ball State experts
"They found the larger the percentage of students taking the SAT in a state, the lower the average SAT."

Since the SAT is often used as a source for comparing states, consider that in states where few students take the test, they score the highest:

Georgia: 75% taking, average score 990
Illinois: 10% taking, average score 1200
Connecticut: 86% taking, average score 1030
Alabama: 10% taking, average score 1130

Alabama outscores Connecticut, how could this be? They have only the brightest take the test, whereas Connecticut has many.
Source: http://www.radicalmath.org/docs/SAT_activity.doc


This guy is an idiot, filled with white guilt, who makes his living talking about so-called "white privilege". Oh yeah, being institutionally discriminated against is "privilege.

He has not facts or logic behind his arguments, only empty emotional rhetoric. See him being debated by Jared Taylor. He loses big time.


YouTube - Tim Wise vs. Jared Taylor - The Merits of Racial Diversity 1/10

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Keep in mind that Hispanic is not a race, it is an ethnicity. So, most do consider themselves to be White racially.
That's because the idea of what is "white" is different in Latin America than it is in the U.S., Europe, and Australia. There, someone with as little as fifty percent white blood may be considered white, and many non-white Mestizos (half Indian-half Spaniard white) refer to themselves as white, as it is associated with a higher class (the result of obvious higher IQs).

There are some white Hispanics in the U.S., but the vast majority are Mestizos, racially mixed Indian with Spaniard blood. These individuals have lower IQs than whites, but higher than blacks. The true white Spaniards have a relatively similar IQ to most European peoples.

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Also, Black people do not make up that percentage of all people in poverty. That is the percentage based on the group itself. It's around 25% for Blacks within the group, not of the nation's poor.
Black people DO make up that percentage of all people in poverty. The statistics were posted above.

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Considering that much of the violence revolves around drugs, how are such persons getting drugs that they didn't bring in or allow into the country?
Anyone can play the blame game. They know that drugs are illegal. If you don't want to get caught and go to jail, don't use or sell drugs. Simple.

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Then, you have the reality of many prisoners in prison due to non-violent offenses.
Some are, but many individuals with non-violent offenses are no longer being held, as prison space is running out.

Judge orders CA to release many nonviolent offenders : Indybay

A Sensible Virginia Proposal - Early Freedom for Nonviolent Offenders - washingtonpost.com

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People also don't think about the "big business" aspect of prisons.
The business of locking up criminals. If they weren't criminals, they wouldn't be in prison.

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Isn't it ironic that most prisons are in rural areas that aren't that diverse?
No. In rural areas, you don't have NIMBYS who are fighting a prison. In a rural area, there is a lot more available land.

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So, when you count a prison population that is highly "minority" in the population of a town, that town benefits off of really a false diversity for things like funding and jobs. You can look at Ny for example, in which 75% of the prisoners in the state come from 7 sections of NYC, that happen to be predominately people of color.
Blacks happen to commit more crime, so it is logical that a large percentage of the prisoners come from predominately black areas.

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Also, if you notice, most of the states that are highly ranked in terms of violent crime are mostly highly urban states.
It's more of a correlation with high black or mestizo population, not urbanity. After all, some southern states which aren't known for urbanity have higher crime rates than more urban states. It's a product of the percentage of black residents.


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Isn't also ironic how many would Anglicize their surnames so that they could assimilate ultimately?
Assimilation is not possible for different races. Only acculturation. That being so, many of the surnames are the names of the original slave master. Some adopted English names, you're correct.

Black Invention Myths
Black Invention Myths

Famous Inventions A-Z (Check out the thousands of inventions, over ninety five percent are by Europeans or people of European descent).
Famous Inventions - A - History of Famous Inventions
John Dove - The Creator of CD Rom Technology


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Affrimative action actually benefits Whites more(really common sense considering White women make up about 33-35% of the total US population and are the biggest historically disenfranchised group in the country. That's also not counting the realities of who they usually marry.):Affirmative Action for Rich, White Kids?

White Women and Affirmative Action

Who benefits most from affirmative action? | Jet | Find Articles at BNET

Focus on Affirmative Action (http://www.aapf.org/focus/episodes/oct30.php - broken link)
I've already expressed that

Okay, I should have said that WHITE MEN are screwed by the system. I should have been a little more specific, for the white man is the most discriminated against person in modern-day America. The white man is ridiculed on television, made out to be the dope, while the black man is made out to be intelligent. The white man is constantly the one being shown as being criminals, as in ADT commercials and increasingly on crime shows. This is because it is now seen as politically incorrect to show blacks and crime in a show, as reality may be hurtful. White men are discriminated against in college admissions, government business contracts, hiring via a need to fill a quota, and we're constantly the one left out when the media says they're looking for "women and minorities". If that isn't downright discrimination, I don't know what is.

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Our country has given reparations before, but many don't know about it:New Page 0
And that was closer to the time of being wronged. Today, no blacks have been enslaved, nor was any white person a slave owner. It's also not logistical, and the bad feelings that would be created would not help this country.

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Lastly, a myth buster about Blacks and education:JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
There's no myth buster.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/IQ-4races-rotate-highres.png (broken link)
What about the effect of race & the SAT?
The SAT's Growing Gaps
Source: news: The SAT's Growing Gaps - Inside Higher Ed (news:%20The%20SAT's%20Growing%20Gaps%20-%20Inside%20Higher%20Ed - broken link)
SAT Scores by Race and Ethnicity, 2008
American Indian 485 -2 491 -3 470 -3 -8
Asian American 513 -1 581 +3 516 +3 +5
Black 430 -3 426 -3 424 -1 -7
Mexican American 454 -1 463 -3 447 -3 -7
Puerto Rican 456 -3 453 -1 445 -2 -6
Other Hispanic 455 -4 461 -2 448 -2 -8
White 528 +1 537 +3 518 no change +4

Public School Graduation Rates in the U.S. (Note how Kentucky outperforms New York...but note how blacks and Hispanics graduate at a much lower rate than Asians and whites in all states)
Civic Report 31 | Table 1

"The national graduation rate for the public school class of 2000 was 69%. The rate for white students was 76%; for Asian students it was 79%; for African-American students it was 55%; for Hispanic students it was 53%; and for Native Americans it was 57%."
Source Civic Report 31 | Public School Graduation Rates in the United States

Wealth of Nations by GDP


IQ & Nation

 
Old 04-10-2009, 09:42 AM
 
Location: LawnGuyLin
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That's exactly what that is....a story.

Lol probably isnt true.
 
Old 04-10-2009, 09:48 AM
 
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Lol probably isnt true.
Yeah, it isn't...that would be MAJOR news if it were current. If it happened sometime in the past, it would be well-documented.
 
Old 04-10-2009, 02:06 PM
 
Location: LawnGuyLin
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Originally Posted by DeaconJ View Post
Yeah, it isn't...that would be MAJOR news if it were current. If it happened sometime in the past, it would be well-documented.

I heard the neighboorhood was so underdevoloped there wasnt a police officer for 20 miles.
 
Old 04-10-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by City Fanatic View Post
What is the point of this article, that people are stereotyping blacks, in terms of the reasons for their lack of success in college? It could be both, lack of capacities, and lack of preparation. Those who are capable and those who do prepare will do fine, regardless.



Are we going to call the tests racist? Why do Asian score well on them?

The SAT's Growing Gaps
Source: news: The SAT's Growing Gaps - Inside Higher Ed (news:%20The%20SAT's%20Growing%20Gaps%20-%20Inside%20Higher%20Ed - broken link)
SAT Scores by Race and Ethnicity, 2008
American Indian 485 -2 491 -3 470 -3 -8
Asian American 513 -1 581 +3 516 +3 +5
Black 430 -3 426 -3 424 -1 -7
Mexican American 454 -1 463 -3 447 -3 -7
Puerto Rican 456 -3 453 -1 445 -2 -6
Other Hispanic 455 -4 461 -2 448 -2 -8
White 528 +1 537 +3 518 no change +4

The SAT isn't a verifiable measure between states, but between different races, it is verifiable: Why? You can't tweak or manipulate statistics at the individual level. However, at the state level, you can, given that not everyone within a state takes the test:
See below:

The SAT

State SAT rankings are worse than meaningless, say Ball State experts
Source: State SAT rankings are worse than meaningless, say Ball State experts
"They found the larger the percentage of students taking the SAT in a state, the lower the average SAT."

Since the SAT is often used as a source for comparing states, consider that in states where few students take the test, they score the highest:

Georgia: 75% taking, average score 990
Illinois: 10% taking, average score 1200
Connecticut: 86% taking, average score 1030
Alabama: 10% taking, average score 1130

Alabama outscores Connecticut, how could this be? They have only the brightest take the test, whereas Connecticut has many.
Source: http://www.radicalmath.org/docs/SAT_activity.doc




This guy is an idiot, filled with white guilt, who makes his living talking about so-called "white privilege". Oh yeah, being institutionally discriminated against is "privilege.

He has not facts or logic behind his arguments, only empty emotional rhetoric. See him being debated by Jared Taylor. He loses big time.


YouTube - Tim Wise vs. Jared Taylor - The Merits of Racial Diversity 1/10



That's because the idea of what is "white" is different in Latin America than it is in the U.S., Europe, and Australia. There, someone with as little as fifty percent white blood may be considered white, and many non-white Mestizos (half Indian-half Spaniard white) refer to themselves as white, as it is associated with a higher class (the result of obvious higher IQs).

There are some white Hispanics in the U.S., but the vast majority are Mestizos, racially mixed Indian with Spaniard blood. These individuals have lower IQs than whites, but higher than blacks. The true white Spaniards have a relatively similar IQ to most European peoples.



Black people DO make up that percentage of all people in poverty. The statistics were posted above.



Anyone can play the blame game. They know that drugs are illegal. If you don't want to get caught and go to jail, don't use or sell drugs. Simple.



Some are, but many individuals with non-violent offenses are no longer being held, as prison space is running out.

Judge orders CA to release many nonviolent offenders : Indybay

A Sensible Virginia Proposal - Early Freedom for Nonviolent Offenders - washingtonpost.com



The business of locking up criminals. If they weren't criminals, they wouldn't be in prison.



No. In rural areas, you don't have NIMBYS who are fighting a prison. In a rural area, there is a lot more available land.



Blacks happen to commit more crime, so it is logical that a large percentage of the prisoners come from predominately black areas.



It's more of a correlation with high black or mestizo population, not urbanity. After all, some southern states which aren't known for urbanity have higher crime rates than more urban states. It's a product of the percentage of black residents.




Assimilation is not possible for different races. Only acculturation. That being so, many of the surnames are the names of the original slave master. Some adopted English names, you're correct.



Black Invention Myths
Black Invention Myths

Famous Inventions A-Z (Check out the thousands of inventions, over ninety five percent are by Europeans or people of European descent).
Famous Inventions - A - History of Famous Inventions
John Dove - The Creator of CD Rom Technology




I've already expressed that

Okay, I should have said that WHITE MEN are screwed by the system. I should have been a little more specific, for the white man is the most discriminated against person in modern-day America. The white man is ridiculed on television, made out to be the dope, while the black man is made out to be intelligent. The white man is constantly the one being shown as being criminals, as in ADT commercials and increasingly on crime shows. This is because it is now seen as politically incorrect to show blacks and crime in a show, as reality may be hurtful. White men are discriminated against in college admissions, government business contracts, hiring via a need to fill a quota, and we're constantly the one left out when the media says they're looking for "women and minorities". If that isn't downright discrimination, I don't know what is.



And that was closer to the time of being wronged. Today, no blacks have been enslaved, nor was any white person a slave owner. It's also not logistical, and the bad feelings that would be created would not help this country.



There's no myth buster.


What about the effect of race & the SAT?
The SAT's Growing Gaps
Source: news: The SAT's Growing Gaps - Inside Higher Ed (news:%20The%20SAT's%20Growing%20Gaps%20-%20Inside%20Higher%20Ed - broken link)
SAT Scores by Race and Ethnicity, 2008
American Indian 485 -2 491 -3 470 -3 -8
Asian American 513 -1 581 +3 516 +3 +5
Black 430 -3 426 -3 424 -1 -7
Mexican American 454 -1 463 -3 447 -3 -7
Puerto Rican 456 -3 453 -1 445 -2 -6
Other Hispanic 455 -4 461 -2 448 -2 -8
White 528 +1 537 +3 518 no change +4

Public School Graduation Rates in the U.S. (Note how Kentucky outperforms New York...but note how blacks and Hispanics graduate at a much lower rate than Asians and whites in all states)
Civic Report 31 | Table 1

"The national graduation rate for the public school class of 2000 was 69%. The rate for white students was 76%; for Asian students it was 79%; for African-American students it was 55%; for Hispanic students it was 53%; and for Native Americans it was 57%."
Source Civic Report 31 | Public School Graduation Rates in the United States

Wealth of Nations by GDP


IQ & Nation

To compare Asians to African Americans is far fetched due to many factors. For one, different histories in terms of how each came or got here. Second, the Asians that come here can due to economic and educational reasons or as refugees. Third, you could credit African Americans in terms of the Civil Rights movement opening up immigration. Keep in mind that most Asians descend from people that came after that movement. So, the historical and continual aspect of race and racism did not effect them in terms of volume.

Stereotype threat basically means that psychologically when expectations are low towards a group of students, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy in a positive or negative way. Here's more on this:Stereotype threat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why is Wise full of White guilt? Maybe you need to go back and see where the term "race" came from. Keep in mind, that groups like the Inuit and the general term of Bantu for a large collection of Africans south of the Sahara, when translating their names just means "people" or "mankind". So, who started the term of "race"? Check this out:RACE - The Power of an Illusion . Background Readings | PBS

RACE - The Power of an Illusion . What Is Race | PBS

Maybe Jared Taylor is a White supremacist and even his term of "racial realist" sounds politically correct.

As for poverty, I would look again.

The poverty rate for all persons masks considerable variation between racial/ethnic subgroups. Poverty rates for blacks and Hispanics greatly exceed the national average. In 2007, 24.5 percent of blacks and 21.5 percent of Hispanics were poor, compared to 8.2 percent of non-Hispanic whites and 10.2 percent of Asians.(National Poverty Center | University of Michigan and Poverty 2007 Highlights (http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/poverty07/pov07hi.html - broken link))

So, your data would be wrong in terms of who makes up the total percentage of those in poverty.


As for the criminality thing, when you consider the percentages of those involved in illegal drug activity and abuse, the numbers in terms of incarceration are pretty skewed. So, while people shouldn't use illegal drugs or get involved in such activity, the problem is with the disparity and inconsistentcy in which who gets procecuted and sentencing. Race and Prison | Drug War Facts , http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008...GSENTENCE1.pdf

and more on this:
YouTube - TIM WISE- INSTITUTIONAL RACISM IN AMERICAN SOCIETY IS REAL and Can you show me where Blacks commit more crime?

As for the inventions, I've seen that site before and it only debunks a handful of the inventions and actually many of those Blacks involved improved many of those inventions. Second, there are many inventions that they don't debunk like the inventions of Rome, NY's John Dove.

As for the "poor" White Man theory, let's be serious. If the discrimination is at that level, I think most people of color would love to only get it at that level. You obviously missed the article about college admissions and how there are more Whites that get in than Blacks and other people of color in terms of a form of "affirmative action" through legacies and parents that just happen to be alumni.

Also, let's be real about things like pay, housing discrimination and other serious topics as well where White men still are well above the rest, including White women.

As for the reparations, check again. There were groups compensated well after the fact. So, you mean something happened to Japanese Americans around 1990? Why were the Ottawas compensated in 1986 for something that occurred in 1839? So, not only is that incorrect, but there are other examples. I'm not an advocate for reparations, but let's not pretend it hasn't happened.

As for African immigrants being the most educated of immigrants, that is a reality, not a myth. While I'll say that they are a small portion of immigrants, that still debunks the myth in terms of Blacks and education and the proof states that.
 
Old 04-10-2009, 05:33 PM
 
Location: The Country of Virginia
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The difference is in the north we dont blame black people for all of our crimes and the punishment is rarely death.
Ok...Um....but then when it's been proven over a great deal of time, a great majority of African Americans committed more crimes than Asians, Whites, and Hispanics. And I am all for some punishment, if a loved one of mine was hurt badly, raped, or killed, id want that son of a ***** off the face of this earth.
 
Old 04-10-2009, 06:05 PM
 
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Ok...Um....but then when it's been proven over a great deal of time, a great majority of African Americans committed more crimes than Asians, Whites, and Hispanics. And I am all for some punishment, if a loved one of mine was hurt badly, raped, or killed, id want that son of a ***** off the face of this earth.
According to what? What about Drunk or reckless drivers that tend to mostly be white that kill people? It's still breaking the law and the person is dead. What about the fact that 60% of people arrested for violent crimes are white? So, where is the proof and what is the criteria in terms of crime?
 
Old 04-10-2009, 07:55 PM
 
Location: NC/IL/MI
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Why is there more crime in the southern cities compared to northern cities in the US?
the hoods in the south are WILD compared to the hoods in the north. High speed chases, helicopters. You dont see those up north too much.
Some guy in Georgia had the nerve to say "you cant go anywhere up north with out getting shot," but cities in the south ussually have higher crime rates.
 
Old 04-11-2009, 04:17 AM
 
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the hoods in the south are WILD compared to the hoods in the north. High speed chases, helicopters. You dont see those up north too much.
Well...that is most certainly untrue - high speed chases occur EVERYWHERE. The South doesn't have any kind of monopoly them.

Washington State: Girl, 13, Leads Police On High-Speed Chase - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland

San Diego: High-speed chase sparks cash grab - 3/20/09 - Fresno News - abc30.com

Harrisonburg: High Speed Chase Settled /

New Hampshire: Eppng high-speed chase ends in arrest

Arizona: High-speed chase ends in Buckeye with driver's arrest

Pennsylvania: Police Say Gas Siphoning Fueled High-Speed Chase - News Story - WPXI Pittsburgh

Los Angeles: Robbery Suspect Led Police On 80-Minute Chase - cbs2.com (http://cbs2.com/carchase/Chase.Robbery.Compton.2.650662.html - broken link)

Utah: ksl.com - High-speed chase and crash caught on tape

Tucson: High-Speed Chase Ends in Capture

Montana: WMICentral - Chief terminates high-speed chase

Oregon: Father, Son Arrested After High-Speed Chase - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland

Long Island: Fiery end to high-speed chase on Long Island - 12/10/08 - New York News and Tri-State News - 7online.com

Chicago: Woman Alleges Police Cover-Up In High Speed Chase - cbs2chicago.com (http://cbs2chicago.com/local/midlothian.high.speed.2.779607.html - broken link)

California: Purse Snatchers Lead Police On High-Speed Chase - cbs2.com (http://cbs2.com/carchase/Chase.Buena.Park.2.720724.html - broken link)

Baltimore: High-Speed Chase Ends In Arrest - Baltimore News Story - WBAL Baltimore (http://www.wbaltv.com/news/17438621/detail.html - broken link)

San Francisco: High speed chase ends with arrest

Philadelphia: Shenandoah motorcyclist arrested after high-speed chase

Maryland: High-speed chase ends near Andrews - wtop.com

Minneapolis: Driver Crashes On I-394 After High-Speed Chase - wcco.com

Syracuse: http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...hes_almos.html

Arizona: High-speed chase yields 900 pounds of pot

Bakersfield: High-Speed Chase Ends In South Bakersfield - Bakersfield News Story - KERO Bakersfield

Vermont: Escaped Convict Leads Police On High-Speed Chase - News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh (http://www.wptz.com/news/14689859/detail.html - broken link)

Albuquerque: Overnight High-Speed Chase Ends In Albuquerque - Albuquerque News Story - KOAT Albuquerque (http://www.koat.com/news/16130209/detail.html - broken link)

Indianapolis: Man Arrested After Indy High-Speed Chase - Indiana News Story - WRTV Indianapolis

Wisconsin: Sheriff's Office Releases Cruiser Cam Video Of Brat Day Crash - Milwaukee News Story - WISN Milwaukee (http://www.wisn.com/news/17175475/detail.html - broken link)

Rochester: Lancaster Teen Dead After High Speed Chase | WKBW - TV Buffalo, New York | Local News (http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/40839097.html - broken link)
 
Old 04-11-2009, 01:02 PM
 
Location: West Cobb County, GA (Atlanta metro)
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Needless to say, the fact that the last couple of threads that started off on crime issues and ended with a HUGE book-long essay on race, is getting OLD.

Take a racial vacation, folks.
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