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Old 04-09-2009, 12:49 AM
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It may be your opinion, but the facts (at least for murder) do not support it.

Ideas & Trends: Southern Curse; Why America's Murder Rate Is So High - New York Times
That article was interesting. There are many good points in this article. I don't believe that race/ethnicity are the causes to crime. Lifestyle and culture can be big influences. The point about slavery being part of the issue is interesting. Many of the states with high murder rates were slaves states. Cruelty is often involved when it comes to slavery. There is another point about when people are used to having to fight someone, it instills a sense of agression.

 
Old 04-09-2009, 08:10 AM
 
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Why is there more crime in the southern cities compared to northern cities in the US?
Greater percentage of blacks.
 
Old 04-09-2009, 08:15 AM
 
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It's easy to point to race, but I would submit the bigger culprit is poverty. The distinction you make between "inner city" and "middle class" blacks is really a socioeconomic distinction. But here's the thing, the crime rate differential between these two black cohorts (inner city and middle class) is not very different from the crime rate differential between poor white or poor hispanic cohorts and their "more educated and more affluent" counterparts. That being said, I do think blacks make up the largest population of Americans living in poverty so it should not be suprising that there is a lot of crime being committed in poor black neighborhoods. But you really cannot attribute it to race because you will find PLENTY of crime in poor white and poor hispanic neighborhoods.

BTW, on the north vs south point, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Baltimore (all northern cities) have more than their fair share of crime.
Poverty? I haven't heard of poor whites having a crime rate like that of poor blacks.

In 1995, among the American poor, there were 16.3 million Whites (real ones), 10.0 million Blacks, 8.6 million "Hispanics," and 1.4 million Asians. Blacks comprised about 27.6% of the American poor. These poverty numbers can be verified by clicking on the link provided below.

Source: http://www.census.gov/hhes/poverty/pov95/povest1.html (broken link)

During that year, Blacks committed about 54% of all US murders. Remember that the FBI, from whom the murder information comes, counts "Hispanics" as "Whites," making the total number of poor persons eligible to be committing murders as "Whites" about 24.8 million. These "Whites" comprised 68.5% of the American poor, but committed - at most - only 46% of 1995 US murders, if we make the doubtful assumption that Asians and Amerindians committed none. The evidence argues against the liberal hypothesis that poverty causes crime.
 
Old 04-09-2009, 08:18 AM
 
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That article was interesting. There are many good points in this article. I don't believe that race/ethnicity are the causes to crime. Lifestyle and culture can be big influences. The point about slavery being part of the issue is interesting. Many of the states with high murder rates were slaves states. Cruelty is often involved when it comes to slavery. There is another point about when people are used to having to fight someone, it instills a sense of agression.
Slavery? Something that ended over one hundred and forty years ago?

Get REAL!

There is a correlation between the original "slave states" and higher crime because there are larger populations of blacks in the "slave states". Since blacks commit crime at much higher rates, it's only natural that these "slave states" are going to have higher crime rates.
 
Old 04-09-2009, 08:37 AM
 
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Top 101 cities with the highest number of murders in 2006 per 10,000 residents, excludes tourist destinations and others with a lot of outsiders visiting based on city industries data (population 50,000+)

These are just the top 10 courtesy of City-Data.com

[LEFT]1. Gary, IN (housing, pop. 97,715): 4.83

2. Detroit, MI (housing, pop. 871,121): 4.73

3. Flint, MI (housing, pop. 117,068): 4.57

4. Birmingham, AL (housing, pop. 229,424): 4.45

5. Baltimore, MD (housing, pop. 631,366): 4.33

6. Saginaw, MI (housing, pop. 57,523): 4.12

7. Richmond, CA (housing, pop. 102,120): 4.07

8. Compton, CA (housing, pop. 95,701): 4.04

9. Camden, NJ (housing, pop. 79,318): 4.00

10. Richmond, VA (housing, pop. 192,913): 3.88[/LEFT]
1. Gary, IN (housing, pop. 97,715): 4.83 84.0% black

2. Detroit, MI (housing, pop. 871,121): 4.73 81.6% black

3. Flint, MI (housing, pop. 117,068): 4.5753.3% black

4. Birmingham, AL (housing, pop. 229,424): 4.45 73.5% black

5. Baltimore, MD (housing, pop. 631,366): 4.33 64.3% black

6. Saginaw, MI (housing, pop. 57,523): 4.12 43.3% black

7. Richmond, CA (housing, pop. 102,120): 4.07 36.1% black, 26.5% Hispanic/Mestizo

8. Compton, CA (housing, pop. 95,701): 4.04 40.3% black, 56.8% Hispanic/Mestizo

9. Camden, NJ (housing, pop. 79,318): 4.00 53.3% black, 38.8% Hispanic/Mestizo

10. Richmond, VA (housing, pop. 192,913): 3.88 57.2% black
 
Old 04-09-2009, 08:42 AM
 
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Besides the South is not really known for its cities. The image of the South is predominantly rural and laid-back and small town, regardless of whether that is how most southerners live.
Who has that outdated image of the South? This region is the most populated region in the U.S., and it's more densely populated than the midwest and the west as a whole. Antebellum views of the south are incorrect, as the South has a lot of large cities too. The northeast and midwest has lots of countryside as well.
 
Old 04-09-2009, 10:20 AM
 
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Indeed. I have several books on this southern "culture of honor".

Middle class southerners when questioned about their reactions to certain situations are far more likely to reply with a violent scenario than middle class northerners.
While I think that is true, I also think the people likely to adhere to this "culture of honor" are otherwise and generally not engaging in criminal behavior.

So while this is true, I don't think it is a factor in the crime rate. You could never quantify it anyway.
 
Old 04-09-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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Cruelty is often involved when it comes to slavery. There is another point about when people are used to having to fight someone, it instills a sense of agression.

Slavery was abolished in 1865 or so in the South. How can this be a factor in 2009?

If the premise of this tread is even true, it is because of lower rates of education and higher rates of poverty. While there are historical reasons for this, another reason (bound to stir up debate), is that "red" states do not invest as much in education or public welfare.

IN the last few decades, most Southern states have been red. This is changing rapidbly, however.
 
Old 04-09-2009, 10:52 AM
 
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Slavery was abolished in 1865 or so in the South. How can this be a factor in 2009?

If the premise of this tread is even true, it is because of lower rates of education and higher rates of poverty. While there are historical reasons for this, another reason (bound to stir up debate), is that "red" states do not invest as much in education or public welfare.

IN the last few decades, most Southern states have been red. This is changing rapidbly, however.
It's the demographics.

Enough with the bs arguments of poverty, lower rates of education, and lack of investment. It's race, people.
 
Old 04-09-2009, 11:18 AM
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Slavery was abolished in 1865 or so in the South. How can this be a factor in 2009?

If the premise of this tread is even true, it is because of lower rates of education and higher rates of poverty. While there are historical reasons for this, another reason (bound to stir up debate), is that "red" states do not invest as much in education or public welfare.

IN the last few decades, most Southern states have been red. This is changing rapidbly, however.
Slavery might be over, but sometimes there are certain attitudes embedded in people that get passed down.
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