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Old 11-23-2009, 12:23 AM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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I think there's a variety among Native American peoples with some doing better than others.

They have good reasons to complain though. Comparing the cheating or swindling done to Irish to the outright massacres and repressions American Indians faced is silly at best. Catholic churches were harassed by mobs, but American Indian religion was officially repressed in a way no religions in US history has been. The Declaration of Independence itself minces no words on the indigenous peoples calling them "the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions." I don't think you see that kind of talk about other groups, not even about blacks, in our founding documents. Judging by the Bureau of Crime Statistics American Indians today are more likely to be victims by non-Indians than Indians. They were the only ethnic group that had that feature as most crime victims are of the same ethnicity as the perpetrator.

All that said from what I've seen, and from what they say, I think one of their main problems today is corruption within their nations. In some that have casinos the money is not going to most of them the way it should. In other cases the cops are crooked and don't deal with the problems. As with people in ghettos I think a sense of hopelessness might effect some of them. Some of the social problems they have likely will need to be dealt with "in-house" at least to some degree. Also I do at times worry that making their image be "perpetual victims" to be pitied may rob them of agency and control over their own lives.
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Old 11-23-2009, 04:03 AM
 
Location: New England
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I am Native American, born here, but of European descent. I always say "Native Indian", it is much, much more accurate.
More accurate? By your definition a Native Indian would have to mean someone born in India...

Regardless, a 1995 survey by the US Census Bureau found that nearly 50% of indigenous Americans prefered the term American Indian. Perhaps a new survey should be conducted in the next census as well.

Preference for Racial or Ethnic Terminology — Infoplease.com
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Old 11-23-2009, 07:35 AM
 
Location: In The Outland
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Every reservation is different and all the so called treaties vary quite a bit. Here is a picture of a Salish family shortly after being moved from the Bitterroot Valley to the Flathead Reservation. I own some property on the CSKT reservation and lived in Hot Springs for about 12 years. There are very few indications of severe poverty on that reservation and if it were not for a sign or two and if a person didn't have a map, they may not even know that they are passing through a reservation. I can not say the same thing about the other reservations that I've been to in Montana though.
The second picture is us floating down The Lower Flathead River, the tribal permit is not expensive and there are no crowds.



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Old 11-24-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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There is a lot of misconceptions about white/native american historic relations. When whites came to this continent they acclimated themselves to what was happening in the north american envirement. They did the same things that the Indians were doing amongst themselves and to each other. Whites hunted, trapped, fished, fought etc. Indians were at war amongst tribes long before white men appeared on the scene. There were some Indian tribes that went extinct at the hands of other tribes long before the white men came. And whites didn't treat Indians any worse than Indians treated other Indians. Sure we conquered them and set up our nation. No guilt here. Almost every country that exists in the world today came into being through a military conquest. Some Indian tribes were happy to see the white men subdue other Indian tribes. For instance the Apaches lived on attacking other tribes(and Mexicans). They didn't grow food, didn't work or do anything to make their way in life accept attack other people, kill them, and steal whatever they could get. Mexicans and Apaches were at war centuries before the white men showed up. So shed your guilt(if you have any) and enjoy your country. Your ancestors fought for it and now its ours.(?) Well anyway, it was ours but you may not know it judging by the way things are these days.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:41 AM
 
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Being a Native American nowadays, I'd say that we people as a whole regardless of what tribe we're from or what part of the country we're at, we remain as one people so technically speaking it is our land.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:49 AM
 
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Semi-valid points - except, recall what I think are two very important aspects to this discussion:

1. The Native Americans had umpteen various different treaties, signed in legal agreements between two parties, and for the most part were not honoured - instead reforced, time and time again, to yet more undesirable lands, under threat of death [of course, many died along the various trails taken too...].

2. The immigrants were indeed harshly put to work, as you said for very minimum wages [if any], working in squalid unhealthy & unsafe conditions - yet [and this is very big difference IMHO between these people and the Native Americans] they had, for the most part, immigrated to this country of their own free will.


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