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Old 04-14-2013, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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?? I guess I don't get your point. First, those homicide rates aren't correct. Second, out of the largest cities in the Midwest, Chicago does *not* have the highest homicide rate (it is normally Detroit or St. Louis). And as right now in 2013, Indianapolis has a higher homicide rate than Chicago...

You can see tabulated data from as late as 2011 here: United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also that can change.
Its better to *wait* until the end of the year then calculate which cities have the most homicides.
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Also that can change.
Its better to *wait* until the end of the year then calculate which cities have the most homicides.
No, I'm sure Chicago will have the largest total number of homicides, as it much, much larger than any of the other Midwestern cities; however, the highest homicide rate in the Midwest isn't usually Chicago, despite the media hype of crime in the city. So far this year, total homicides in Chicago are quite a bit lower than the were this time last year: Feb. was the lowest it has been seen 1957 and March was the lowest since 1959. Last April there were 41 homicides; nearly halfway through the month there have only been 8.
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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The highest rate is not Chicago. This is why rate is important and not the overall actual number. Obviously a place that has 6x the population versus another is going to have a larger number of actual crime. The rates don't necessarily translate though.

It's basic math/statistics really and a little bit of common sense.
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Last year January - April 14th, there were 134 homicides in Chicago. This year, there's 80 and 43 of those were in January..That is a 40.3% decrease compared to last year this time. Obviously it doesn't mean anything yet for the entire year of 2013, but a 40.3% decrease is pretty impressive.
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Last year January - April 14th, there were 134 homicides in Chicago. This year, there's 80 and 43 of those were in January..That is a 40.3% decrease compared to last year this time. Obviously it doesn't mean anything yet for the entire year of 2013, but a 40.3% decrease is pretty impressive.
As always we should wait until the end of the year.
We still have summer to go through and then fall too.
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Old 04-15-2013, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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Also that can change.
Its better to *wait* until the end of the year then calculate which cities have the most homicides.
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As always we should wait until the end of the year.
We still have summer to go through and then fall too.
Translation: The numbers do not currently match my agenda, so let's wait for a time period in which it does.
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:00 PM
 
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As always we should wait until the end of the year.
We still have summer to go through and then fall too.
It almost sounds like you are hoping that the homicide rate will pick up.
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Mahoning Valley, Ohio
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Last year January - April 14th, there were 134 homicides in Chicago. This year, there's 80 and 43 of those were in January..That is a 40.3% decrease compared to last year this time. Obviously it doesn't mean anything yet for the entire year of 2013, but a 40.3% decrease is pretty impressive.
We always here how corrupt and violent Chicago is:

Here's Indianapolis:

40 as of April 14th

Homicide List

Now, how does that rank out per capita? Because in my mind, Chicago has what, 2.7 million while Indianapolis has 850,000. Chicago is well over twice the size, but Indianapolis has half the murders of Chicago. Interesting. You have to wait for summer in Chicago? Is the weather go through more extremes than Indianapolis? Interesting observation.
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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We always here how corrupt and violent Chicago is:

Here's Indianapolis:

40 as of April 14th

Homicide List

Now, how does that rank out per capita? Because in my mind, Chicago has what, 2.7 million while Indianapolis has 850,000. Chicago is well over twice the size, but Indianapolis has half the murders of Chicago. Interesting. You have to wait for summer in Chicago? Is the weather go through more extremes than Indianapolis? Interesting observation.

If you work that out, then so far this year that's around 3 per 100k for Chicago and around 4.7 for Indianapolis.

As far as the summer thing goes, yeah there are usually more murders in Chicago in the warmer months, but if you look historically, I don't think it's that much different to be honest. February, March, and so far in April in years past still had a lot of homicides even though they aren't warm months.

No idea what will happen, but even if things go back to normal, the number of homicides will certainly be down by years end versus last year and years past. Will have to wait and see.
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Translation: The numbers do not currently match my agenda, so let's wait for a time period in which it does.
I'd imagine if the situation were reversed, it'd be more than okay to start tallying early
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