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Old 05-14-2013, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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my overall point that I was trying to make is even if you take per capita Milwaukee is still not as violent as Indianapolis.
The 2013 Indianapolis
Homicide Count is:


[CENTER] 51 [/CENTER]
Averaging 1 homicide every 2.63 days
Expect 139 to die by year's end
  • May 11, 2013 @ 1001 W 10th St
Mother brings mortally-wounded son to hospital where he dies. Believed to be connected with death of Christopher Stark earlier in the night.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: the future
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my overall point that I was trying to make is even if you take per capita Milwaukee is still not as violent as Indianapolis.
The 2013 Indianapolis
Homicide Count is:


[CENTER] 51 [/CENTER]
Averaging 1 homicide every 2.63 days
Expect 139 to die by year's end
  • May 11, 2013 @ 1001 W 10th St
Mother brings mortally-wounded son to hospital where he dies. Believed to be connected with death of Christopher Stark earlier in the night.


Indianapolis is having an uptick this year just like chicago did last year. Chicago's rate is just going back down to the usual trend this year just like Indianapolis will go back down to its average hopefully. Whats funny is Baltimore has almost as many as Chicago at 77 and thats a decrease for Baltimore I believe.

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Old 05-15-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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Indianapolis is having an uptick this year just like chicago did last year. Chicago's rate is just going back down to the usual trend this year just like Indianapolis will go back down to its average hopefully. Whats funny is Baltimore has almost as many as Chicago at 77 and thats a decrease for Baltimore I believe.
Actually outside of January, Chicago is doing very well this year:

Each month and how this year compares to the next lowest:

February:
2013: 14
2012: 29
2011: 25
2010: 25
2009: 26
2008: 20 -30%

March:
2013: 15
2012: 52
2011: 22
2010: 31
2009: 21 -29%
2008: 35

April:
2013: 24
2012: 41
2011: 30 -20%
2010: 48
2009: 41
2008: 47


May to date:
2013: 15
2012: 25
2011: 10 (was lower than this year through 15th)
2010: 17
2009: 17
2008: 23

Trend:
2013: 68
2012: 147
2011: 87 -22%
2010: 121
2009: 105
2008: 125

This year has been trending down quite a bit. What's making the YTD numbers seem more muted is the fact January was MUCH more deadly than is historically normal. About twice as much.
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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The Milwaukee Journal as a newspaper went down hill during the late '80s and early to mid '90s some would say. But it has rebuilt itself into an outstanding local newspaper and consequently has one several Pultzer Prizes for its journalism. Pultzer Prize winner in: 2008, 2010, and 2011.

Part of that is local investigative journalism. And covering local news is what ever local newspaper in every city of the United States is supposed to do (national newspaper like USA Today being exceptions).

The Milwaukee Journal's investigation into gun violence resulted in publicly questioning whether homicide rates are an insufficient way of judging gun violence rates in the United States today.

Due to outstanding improvements in trauma care today people are surviving gun shot injuries that would have been fatal many decades ago. This is seen in the survival rates in the U.S. Iraqi and Afghan wars too.

It has been estimated that improved medical trauma care in the United States has reduced our homicides yearly by a staggering 30,000 to 50,000 people. In other words, absent our stellar trauma care from the paramedics to the operating room, the U.S. would have national homicide numbers about equal that of Brazil.


Full story: City's gun violence goes beyond murder

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Troy is one of thousands of shooting victims walking the streets of Milwaukee. Each year, on average, about 600 people are struck by gunfire in the city and survive, according to a Journal Sentinel analysis of data obtained from police, hospital and fire officials.

They live thanks to a small army of paramedics, doctors and nurses, who have turned a lifeline of care into an assembly line of treatment with clockwork speed and skill. They save about 90% of the gunshot victims they treat.
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The quiet success of the trauma care machine may be masking the true extent of gun violence in urban areas such as Milwaukee.

Traditionally, communities count homicides as an important measure of violence. Shootings that don't kill often aren't tracked with any precision, in part because the FBI doesn't require it.

Milwaukee has seen 94 homicides this year, down about 14% from this point in 2005. But serious shootings are coming in at a furious clip.

Froedtert is on pace to treat 459 shooting patients in its trauma center by year's end, a 34% increase over last year. Through September, Children's Hospital was running 38% ahead of last year, when it treated 110 young gunshot victims.

Researchers say paramedics, doctors and nurses have become so good at preventing shootings from becoming deaths that the homicide rate is no longer an accurate barometer of violence.
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Advances in emergency medical care over the last 40 years are responsible nationally for 30,000 to 50,000 fewer homicides annually, a study at the University of Massachusetts Amherst concluded in 2002.
That is an old article date 2006. But I think it still has relevance today. Relevance for the whole Midwest and for the whole nation.

The article in the link is one of many in a series the Milwaukee Journal ran.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:56 PM
 
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If you go by statistics for murder from the last year available East St. Louis comes out on top. Homicide rates 2011 (per 100,000 population). This list only includes cities with populations over 40,000 except East St. Louis and Inkster which I suspected might have high rates and I was able to find online and add to the list. There may be other small cities that should be included.

East St. Louis 92.3 murders per 100,000 population (actual total 25 murders in city w/population of 27000 residents)

Flint 50.8

Detroit 48.2

Gary 37.2

Inkster(MI) 35.5

St. Louis 35.3

Kansas City (MO) 23.4

Dayton 23.3

Cincinnati 20.5

Cleveland 18.6

Canton 16.4

Chicago 15.9 murders per 100,000 population
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Old 05-15-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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Oh yeah. Chicago is overrated because of media coverage. Some neighborhoods are pretty dangerous but as a city it doesn't rank nearly as high as people think. For cities over 100,000 population it ranks #26 in the country. for cities over 40,000 it ranks 41st in per capita homicides (that is in 2011...it might have climbed a few places in 2012, but still not near the very top as media reports would imply)

Chicago gun myths: The media misrepresentation of gun crime in Chicago - Tulsa FBI | Examiner.com
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Texa$
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They're all pretty dangerous... dangerously BORING, that is
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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They're all pretty dangerous... dangerously BORING, that is
...says the guy from LUBBOCK.
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Old 05-17-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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If you go by statistics for murder from the last year available East St. Louis comes out on top. Homicide rates 2011 (per 100,000 population). This list only includes cities with populations over 40,000 except East St. Louis and Inkster which I suspected might have high rates and I was able to find online and add to the list. There may be other small cities that should be included.

East St. Louis 92.3 murders per 100,000 population (actual total 25 murders in city w/population of 27000 residents)

Flint 50.8

Detroit 48.2

Gary 37.2

Inkster(MI) 35.5

St. Louis 35.3

Kansas City (MO) 23.4

Dayton 23.3

Cincinnati 20.5

Cleveland 18.6

Canton 16.4

Chicago 15.9 murders per 100,000 population

East St. Louis belongs in El Salvador.

The U.S. State Department provides information and warning to U.S. citizens traveling abroad to nations like Chile with respects to crime.

I always find it interesting the U.S. State Department never issues warning to U.S. citizens traveling as domestic tourists to cities like East St. Louis or the state of Florida (which has had robbed, raped, and murdered U.S. citizens tourists and foreign tourists--so many German tourists were murdered in Florida in one year that Germany put out a travel warning to its citizens about visiting and vacationing in Florida).


State Department on Chile: --http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1088.html--

But compare the homicide rate several years ago in Santiago, Chile of 1st tier city with millions of people.

Source: --http://businesschile.cl/en/news/reportaje-principal/crime-chile-facts]Crime in Chile: The Facts | bUSiness Chile--

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Last year, a report, published by América Economía, a business magazine, concluded that Chile’s capital Santiago is the best city for doing business in Latin America, and it identified public safety as one of the factors giving it an edge. Comparing crime statistics across countries is notoriously difficult - due to wide differences in reporting and recording practices - but América Economía found that Santiago’s homicide rate, at 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants, was by the far the lowest among a sample of 18 major cities around the region.
Bold my emphasis.
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:20 PM
 
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Major city?

Detroit.
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