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Old 07-13-2008, 02:07 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The Bay Area is 7.4 M sq.miles
Metro Philadlephia-Wilmington-Camden metro is 4.6 M sq miles


Lancaster,Reading,Trenton,Allentown Atlantic City,Dover De. could be included in Phillys metro if it were given The Bay Areas geographic parameters.Putting Philly close to 10 M without touching metro NYC. Philaldephia would then be slightly bigger area wise than the Bay Area.

I dont have alot of faith in the policies or lack-there-of on how metroes are determined. Mercer County NJ included in NYC metro is a complete joke. Chicago dallas,Houston,DC/Bal metro areas are all approximately 11 million sq miles gobbling up every pmsa within 100 miles of the core yet Philadelphia somehow get centralized to a 1/2-1/3 of those metroes eventhough it has plenty of satellite communities outside the metro.
It's not about the size of a metro area. In case you didn't notice there is a giant bay in the middle of the BAY Area, which causes it to have a very long linear development. Housing, commuting, and development patterns determine a metro area more so than just the size. You can't just take the Bay Area's size then superimpose it over Philly then say the metro area should be that big, that makes no sense. I can see maybe Philly including Trenton but the rest of them have a lot of farms and undeveloped land between Philly. There is constant, dense development all the way from SF and Oakland down to San Jose with no open space or farms separating it, unlike those other areas you mentioned outside Philly.
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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The Bay Area is SF-Oak-SJ. They share the same TV market. Oh, and SF is a far better city than Philly. End of discussion.
dude gimme a break
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:52 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The Bay Area is 7.4 M sq.miles
Metro Philadlephia-Wilmington-Camden metro is 4.6 M sq miles

Chicago dallas,Houston,DC/Bal metro areas are all approximately 11 million sq miles gobbling up every pmsa within 100 miles of the core yet Philadelphia somehow get centralized to a 1/2-1/3 of those metroes eventhough it has plenty of satellite communities outside the metro.
Also what are these figures you are using? A MILLION square miles? Do you realize how big that is? The entire state of CA is less than 165,000 square miles.
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Old 07-13-2008, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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In case you didn't notice there is a giant bay in the middle of the BAY Area, which causes it to have a very long linear development.
Hmmm. A 60 mile long bay encompassing 1,500 sq miles acts as an adhesive to a metro community but a few farms and valleys are labeled a metro buster by sav858.



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Old 07-13-2008, 05:40 PM
 
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This is not a survey asking tourists which city is the best?. Seems to me you did not read the report at all. It's written in English, my friend

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Pretty sure its impossible for London to be the best city. That list is probably really shoddy at best. There are probably at least fifty cities in the US that are as good or better than London. Terrible list.
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:10 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Hmmm. A 60 mile long bay encompassing 1,500 sq miles acts as an adhesive to a metro community but a few farms and valleys are labeled a metro buster by sav858.

It shapes the development of the Bay Area and causes it to be longer than most metro areas. There is nothing to stop Philly from connecting with those other places you mention, but it does not b/c it's not part of the Philly metro sphere of influence.

And if you want to talk about BS, then lets look at how ridiculous it is to take the geographic parameters of any random metro area then superimpose it over another random metro area then claim it should be that size. Not to mention the made up and BS figures of several million square miles that came from god knows where.
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Old 07-14-2008, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Lol. A superstar collection of the worlds greatest economist with volumes of info that could fill a library are all wrong and Montclair is right. Why exactly are they wrong again Montclair ? You were evasively light on the details.

Population of metro Philaldephia 5.82 Million
Workforce of metro Philadelphia 2,733,960

Population of metro SF 4.2 Million
Workforce of metro SF 2,077,000

Metro Philadlephia having a bigger global economy than metro SF is to be expected. All you have to do is look at the data. I suppose this is where someone will chime in that metro SF is 7 M and it goes on and on all the way to San Jose.

Metro SF-OAK-Freemont is 4.2 M
metro Philadellphia-Wimington-Camden is 5.8 M

If SF is allowed to claim San Jose(50 miles away) then shouldnt Philadlephia at least be able to claim Mercer County NJ which is 10 miles away from Philly yet gets eaten up by NYC. Philadelphia would have 10 M people in their economy if they were allowed the same dimensions of the Greater Bay Area including the powerhouse Life Science + educational region of Princeton and Lawrenceville a mere 25 miles away from Philadlephia.

La definitely got disrespected on that report, not so much SF.
You do not understand the concept of Metropolitan Areas. It has very little to do with distance and everything to do with interdependence.

For any two areas to combine, at least 15% of their workers have to commute to the other place.

In this instance, More of them to commute to the NY Metro instead of Philly so they are considered part of NY.

You cannot compare the Philadelphia to The Bay Area in size because quite frankly, they just arent the same.

Sorry. We are not all created equal and SF vs Philadelphia is a painful reminder of that.

Like I said,
Philadelphia is not above San Francisco and its certainly not above or even just below Los Angeles. Sorry.
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Old 07-14-2008, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Lets just make all of the US one metro area. We'll call it BosorkingtonSeangelisco. It will have a population of 301 million and be the biggest city in the world. USA Baby!!
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Old 07-14-2008, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Delusions of grandeur. The Bay Area Bubble claims yet another victim.
LOL

If it werent the fact that the Bay Area owns Phildelphia in just about every conceivable measure of business, you would have been on to something.

Population, 2006
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA 5,981,565
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA 7,226,651

How about in their ability to attact people from around the world?
Foreign Born Population, 2006
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA 519,133
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA 2,112,694

Gross Metropolitan Product, 2007
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $312.6 Billion
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $437.2 Billion

Value of Exports in the first half of 2007.
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $9.070 Billion
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $24.500 Billion

Total Personal Income, 2006
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $269 Billion
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $390 Billion

Per Capita Income, 2006
Philadephia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA$42,389
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $54,234

How about average annual pay, that important to anyone?
2006
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $47,228
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $62,048


One other thing,
The Bay Area has more Fortune 500 Companies than the entire state of Pennsylvania, not to mention any Metro Area save NY and Chicago. Suppose that means something as to the concentration of business? I mean, I dont suppose Chevron, HP, Intel are global enough names to consider noteworthy but maybe it does leave room for pause?
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA
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LOL

If it werent the fact that the Bay Area owns Phildelphia in just about every conceivable measure of business, you would have been on to something.

Population, 2006
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA 5,981,565
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA 7,226,651

How about in their ability to attact people from around the world?
Foreign Born Population, 2006
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA 519,133
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA 2,112,694

Gross Metropolitan Product, 2007
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $312.6 Billion
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $437.2 Billion

Value of Exports in the first half of 2007.
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $9.070 Billion
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $24.500 Billion

Total Personal Income, 2006
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $269 Billion
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $390 Billion

Per Capita Income, 2006
Philadephia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA$42,389
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $54,234

How about average annual pay, that important to anyone?
2006
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $47,228
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $62,048


One other thing,
The Bay Area has more Fortune 500 Companies than the entire state of Pennsylvania, not to mention any Metro Area save NY and Chicago. Suppose that means something as to the concentration of business? I mean, I dont suppose Chevron, HP, Intel are global enough names to consider noteworthy but maybe it does leave room for pause?

Wow! Some great facts that make a strong point 18Montclair. I think San Francisco plays a larger part in the global economy also. SF airport also sees just over 8 million international passengers per year, while Philadelphia airport only sees just over 2.5 million international passengers. If Philly played a larger role in the global economy, there would be more international passengers there in my opinion. It would be nice if Mastercard showed a breakdown of how they awarded points instead of just releasing a a big list.
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