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View Poll Results: America's Next Lost Cities
Cleveland, Ohio 10 6.94%
Detroit, Michigan 59 40.97%
Toledo, Ohio 3 2.08%
Buffalo, New York 9 6.25%
Albany, New York 0 0%
Gary, Indiana 44 30.56%
Terre Haute, Indiana 4 2.78%
Scranton, Pennsylvania 4 2.78%
Youngstown, Ohio 9 6.25%
Syracuse, New York 2 1.39%
Voters: 144. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-22-2008, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Polish Hill, Pittsburgh, PA
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None of these cities are beyond repair. They can all make a comeback.
Finally, a voice of reason! Can I kiss you?!
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Old 07-23-2008, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Me, a voice of reason!?
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Old 07-26-2008, 11:32 PM
 
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I don't see how any of these cities can make a comeback.

I grew up in Michigan, and visited Detroit many times. Bullet-proof glass everywhere and a ghost-town feel after 5pm. There are a few blocks that people go to eat if they are at a convention or a ballgame (ie Greektown with the couple casinos). But really those are just little sancuaries of somewhere that people can eat and drink at higher prices 'in the city'.

NO ONE would move to be near those two blocks of business establishments. They are pretty much setup for what few people actually have to be in the city of Detroit for some reason - for a concert, a game, a convention, or otherwise.

When it comes down to it, people who have wives and children NEED to be in healthy environments. NO family-minded person is going to pioneer down to highly deserted, bars-on-every-window, plexiglass six inches thick surrounding every gas station attendent, and only liquor stores for as far as the eye can see kind of places to raise little 'Danny' with wife 'Rita' or whatever.
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Old 07-27-2008, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I don't see how any of these cities can make a comeback.

I grew up in Michigan, and visited Detroit many times. Bullet-proof glass everywhere and a ghost-town feel after 5pm. There are a few blocks that people go to eat if they are at a convention or a ballgame (ie Greektown with the couple casinos). But really those are just little sancuaries of somewhere that people can eat and drink at higher prices 'in the city'.

NO ONE would move to be near those two blocks of business establishments. They are pretty much setup for what few people actually have to be in the city of Detroit for some reason - for a concert, a game, a convention, or otherwise.

When it comes down to it, people who have wives and children NEED to be in healthy environments. NO family-minded person is going to pioneer down to highly deserted, bars-on-every-window, plexiglass six inches thick surrounding every gas station attendent, and only liquor stores for as far as the eye can see kind of places to raise little 'Danny' with wife 'Rita' or whatever.
You're too negative.

I've seen bullet proof glass in gas station in even the nice neighborhoods.

For one, I don't think that some of these cities are bad to begin with but maybe that's the optimist part of me.

just as it is with the natural weather pattern of our Earth, people moving in and out of cities happens at certain times. Don't worry though there is a simple answer. If gas prices keep rising to prices that even make Bill Gates hurt then you will see an influx to the city. Even New York City had a loss of people at one point.

Even if these cities lose a lot of their population like most have, if they gain just a little back and have steady jobs for the city it would not make them lost but just changing with the times.
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:04 AM
 
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All those places mentioned will never jump out of the hole. They are done for good.
Yeah theres no turning back for these places.

Detroit is obviously the worst of the batch.

Detroit has as much hope as Camden NJ and Compton Ca.

This poll would have been better to add decent and once safe cities that are quickly going down the tube not cities that have been "lost" for a while.
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:06 AM
 
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Wait.

Scranton is on the list? Are they having some problems there? Because when I look at the list I know instantly from past research all the other cities are horrible but I never read anything about Scranton going down the toilet.
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Old 07-27-2008, 03:52 PM
 
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Question: How can Detroit be a future lost city? Wouldn't that imply that it's going to get much worse than it already is? From what I can tell, the problematic economy and criminal mayor (things making Detroit worse) are balanced out by downtown developments and the gentrification that's taking place across many cities in the U.S. I don't think the crime rate has increased significantly in Detroit lately. In 30 years, I'll bet that people will still use Detroit as an example of what not for your city to be, but on the other hand, I doubt people will look back and say, "Man - Detroit was so much better in 2008 than it is today."
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:29 PM
 
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Default NEXT ATlantis

NEW ORLEANS IS The Next Atlantis
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Polish Hill, Pittsburgh, PA
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Wait.

Scranton is on the list? Are they having some problems there? Because when I look at the list I know instantly from past research all the other cities are horrible but I never read anything about Scranton going down the toilet.
Scranton's not "going down the toilet." If anything school enrollments in the city have been increasing for the past several years, and the year from 2006-2007 showed, by far, the smallest population decline in the city in many, many decades of losses. It is very realistic to say that between 2010-2020, the city will officially be growing again. The downtown is really revitalizing itself quite nicely with a lot of new mixed-use developments, and if the long-awaited commuter rail to NYC ever materializes it will be a huge shot in the arm for the city's economy.

I'm not saying that Scranton isn't without its fair share of problems and "issues," such as a high 3.4% city wage tax, crumbling infrastructure, corrupt politics, homophobia/racism, and a poorly-educated population, but by and large these are all "easy fix" issues. I'm sure places like Detroit, Gary, or any other city that was on this list wish these were their most pressing issues.
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:51 PM
 
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Those who vouch for these cities (or other ghettos), any of you currently live in them?
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