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Old 06-22-2009, 07:56 AM
 
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First of all, if you're going to have the labels of "African-American", "Asian", etc., then you might as well be fair to people of European descent and label such as "European-American".

Similar Labels

European-American, African-American, Asian-American
Caucasian, Negro, Mongol
Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid
White, Black, Yellow


Now, regarding the "Hispanic" issue. It's a made-up classification that came out of the 1960s. Simply, it refers to people of Spanish lineage, language, etc.

If you're a European of Spanish descent, language, genetically speaking, you're white, European-American, etc.

If you're a mixed Spanish and Indian, which most "Hispanics" tend to be, then you're a MESTIZO. They're not white, European, etc. They're mixed, and should be labeled as such.

 
Old 06-22-2009, 07:57 AM
 
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Because there is clearly a difference between Hispanics and Whites. Whites don't view Hispanics as white and hispanics don't think they're white either.

Why is there even a distinction between white non-hispanics and asians and black? They're all part of the human race.
There is no human race, scientifically. There's a human species.

Races are sub-species.
 
Old 06-22-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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There is no human race, scientifically. There's a human species.

Races are sub-species.
Races are not sub-species. The sub designation refers to independent breeding groups that do not overlap, but which haven't been separated by time long enough to evolve into independent species. There has been far too much miscegenation among humans for the entirety of our existence for any group of us to ever earn the sub-species designation. For an example of what's meant by sub-species, look at the differences between dogs and wolves.

That said, there are certain genetic markers that can be attributed to a preponderance of certain racial or ethnic groups, but these vary along clines. And, these clines aren't congruous for each and every marker.
 
Old 06-22-2009, 10:18 AM
 
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Races are not subspecies, they're more like different breeds of dogs.
Isn't it?
Different but the same.
 
Old 06-22-2009, 12:08 PM
 
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Races are not sub-species. The sub designation refers to independent breeding groups that do not overlap, but which haven't been separated by time long enough to evolve into independent species. There has been far too much miscegenation among humans for the entirety of our existence for any group of us to ever earn the sub-species designation. For an example of what's meant by sub-species, look at the differences between dogs and wolves.

That said, there are certain genetic markers that can be attributed to a preponderance of certain racial or ethnic groups, but these vary along clines. And, these clines aren't congruous for each and every marker.
Wolves are DOGS. The different breeds of dogs are classified as entirely different species. The phenotypic differences between the races supercedes the phenotypic differences between different types of tigers, or even some types of dogs. As such, claiming that the different races of "homo sapiens" belong to the same species, or that they're not sub-species is in doubt and nothing more than political correctness gone amok.

To claim that this:


is not at the minimum a different type of subspecies than this



is intellectually dishonest.
 
Old 06-22-2009, 12:20 PM
 
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^You're intellectually a racial superiorist.

Race is primarily a social/political construct. Any differences you see between 'race' is superficial at best. The difference in genetic code of someone from west ghana and someone in a village in east germany is exceedingly marginal. In fact they could be near-identical. Any geneticist could probably tell you this.
 
Old 06-22-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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^You're intellectually a racial superiorist.
And you'd think/know this because?

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Race is primarily a social/political construct.Any differences you see between 'race' is superficial at best.
Oh yes, it's a social construct, despite the physical reality shown.

One more time.



Yep, I see it. Pure social Construct.

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The difference in genetic code of someone from west ghana and someone in a village in east germany is exceedingly marginal. In fact they could be near-identical. Any geneticist could probably tell you this.
Yeah, and a mouse and a human are ninety percent identical. A human and a chimp are ninety eight percent identical. It doesn't mean that you're the same as a mouse or a chimp, does it?

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Old 06-22-2009, 12:40 PM
 
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^What about the term 'superficial' do you not understand?

Also, do some research on the origins of the term 'race' and how it has been used throughout history before spouting off and posting pictures that illustrate nothing to disprove the notion that indeed, race is primarily a social/political construct.
 
Old 06-22-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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Wolves are DOGS. The different breeds of dogs are classified as entirely different species. The phenotypic differences between the races supercedes the phenotypic differences between different types of tigers, or even some types of dogs. As such, claiming that the different races of "homo sapiens" belong to the same species, or that they're not sub-species is in doubt and nothing more than political correctness gone amok.

To claim that this:


is not at the minimum a different type of subspecies than this



is intellectually dishonest.
It is not. The genetic differences between these two are actually much fewer than those found between different chimpancees groups leaving miles apart.
One of the main characteristics of the human species, when compared to other animail species, is its homogeneity.d

Otherwise. The distinction between white-hispanic and non-white hispanic is a bit confusing. There are Spaniards, as in from Spain, who tend to be white. And their are "hispanic", or latinamericas, who can be indian, mixed or mestizos, or white (for example, most inhabitants of Buenos Aires or Chile are white caucasian).
 
Old 06-22-2009, 01:02 PM
 
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^What about the term 'superficial' do you not understand?

Also, do some research on the origins of the term 'race' and how it has been used throughout history before spouting off and posting pictures that illustrate nothing to disprove the notion that indeed, race is primarily a social/political construct.
We could go into race and IQ if you'd like, and how that correlates heavily with GDP of nations.

With all this data, how in the world can you call such "superficial"? Are you serious?
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