Are Maryland and Delaware part of the South or North? (money, property)

[Michael Robert McGarrett]

My friends,

The map of the 4th Circuit of the United States Court of Appeals shows only five (5) Southern states (Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and West Virginia) because they're the states that are in that particular circuit. The remainder of the Southern states are in different circuits. Don't blame me. I don't control the federal judiciary.

Regards to all,
Michael R. McGarrett
Port Tobacco, Maryland

[cpterp]

Originally Posted by Scott Summers

That's fair (I respect your opinions). I was searching the almighty Google for Mid Atlantic maps but it was a waste...I found some maps that had only PA, NY, and NJ, some that went from southern New England to South Carolina, some that had MD, DE, VA, WV, etc. It's a little vague (Mid-Atlantic) but I always had DE, VA, and MD as the core of this area.

Yeah, that's why I don't try to stay away from it. It's probably the most ambigious regional definition in the country. When it comes to North or South really the only questionable state is West Virginia, although Maryland, DC, and DE are persistently subjects of the same debate. The Mid-Atlantic can vary between 3 states to 3/4 of the East Coast. You're right about the core though. Maryland, Delaware, and DC are almost always included, and VA and PA are also usually included. Mid-Atlantic Federal Credit Union is headquartered right here in Germantown, and a whole lot of other MD businesses use Mid-Atlantic in there name. The media also loves the term, and you'll likely won't ever hear Maryland referred to as Northeastern or Southern, but instead Mid-Atlantic.

[cpterp]

Originally Posted by Michael Robert McGarrett

My friends,

The map of the 4th Circuit of the United States Court of Appeals shows only five (5) Southern states (Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and West Virginia) because they're the states that are in that particular circuit. The remainder of the Southern states are in different circuits. Don't blame me. I don't control the federal judiciary.

Regards to all,
Michael R. McGarrett
Port Tobacco, Maryland

I don't see what any of that has to do with Maryland being Southern. It's not called 'Southern Circuit" of the Appellate Court. A grouping of just 5 states, 3 of which are Southern, 1 of which is debatable (WV), and another which is Northeastern doesn't mean anything.

Here's some other random maps:

Northeastern Conference of the United Methodist Church (a denomination that originated and is based in the South, so they should know right)



National Park Service:



Princeton Review:





There's much more, but not all of them have linkable images, and frankly i don't feel like posting each and every single one. These were just some random ones.

[LINative]

The problem with just using Mid-Atlantic to describe Maryland? It still does not answer the question of whether Maryland is a Northern state or a Southern state. In fact IMHO, we have been calling Maryland just Mid-Atlantic as a cop-out to avoid the question.

For instance, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and usually New York are also described as Mid-Atlantic but we KNOW they are Northern states at the same time. At the same time, Virginia is often considered Mid-Atlantic but most people agree it is also a Southern state.

In other words we already know Maryland is Mid-Atlantic, the real question is she also Northern or Southern? And on that question, while leaning towards Northern nowadays, I am still divided and cannot totally make up my mind either!

[David Alleyne]

^^^I'm sort of split too. No lie, I actually knew a few from MD who gave me different answers about what their state was. On this thread (and website) you have two Marylanders going at it. I would like to go on dialect but some of their words sound New Jerseyish (I actually assumed that a lady was from NJ but she was from Bmore) and some are Southernish. I knew a guy from MD close to WV who didn't have a noticeable accent but his mother sounded like she was raised in East TN (that's where I was at the time). I have had some changing views on MD and I still can't classify the whole state (I just label different parts of the state).

[vivo]

Originally Posted by Scott Summers

^^^I'm sort of split too. No lie, I actually knew a few from MD who gave me different answers about what their state was. On this thread (and website) you have two Marylanders going at it. I would like to go on dialect but some of their words sound New Jerseyish (I actually assumed that a lady was from NJ but she was from Bmore) and some are Southernish. I knew a guy from MD close to WV who didn't have a noticeable accent but his mother sounded like she was raised in East TN (that's where I was at the time). I have had some changing views on MD and I still can't classify the whole state (I just label different parts of the state).

not to go off on a tangent cause obviously this topic hasn't been discussed enough yet:rolley es: but still thinking of moving to md? or nova or dc?

[cpterp]

Originally Posted by LINative

The problem with just using Mid-Atlantic to describe Maryland? It still does not answer the question of whether Maryland is a Northern state or a Southern state. In fact IMHO, we have been calling Maryland just Mid-Atlantic as a cop-out to avoid the question.

For instance, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and usually New York are also described as Mid-Atlantic but we KNOW they are Northern states at the same time. At the same time, Virginia is often considered Mid-Atlantic but most people agree it is also a Southern state.

In other words we already know Maryland is Mid-Atlantic, the real question is she also Northern or Southern? And on that question, while leaning towards Northern nowadays, I am still divided and cannot totally make up my mind either!

You took the words right out of my mouth...

[Michael Robert McGarrett]

Here's a nice government map (from one of the websites of the U.S. Department of Energy) that clearly shows Maryland and Delaware among the Southern states of the South Atlantic Region.


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[ajf131]

Originally Posted by cpterp

Yeah, to me West. V. is the most "split" state. The Panhandle is "Rust Belt" like Western MD, and SW Penn, while the rest is mostly Southern. To me we should be discussing whether WV is North or South rather than MD or DE.

Truer words were never spoken! West Virginia's entire western border is composed almost entirely of Ohio, with Kentucky only making up a small portion of it. Yet its eastern border consists almost entirely of Virginia, and it once was a part of Virginia, not to mention the majority of its counties were pro-Confederate. My dad lived in Clarksburg, West Virginia and told me that part of the state is not Southern. We drove through there once on a big road trip and I agreed 100% with him. It feels very much like Western Maryland and Pennsylvania, and by all accounts it technically should, since it is very close by to those areas. The Northern and Eastern Panhandles are definitely not Southern at all. However, the rest of the state definitely seems to share the most commonalities with Virginia. West Virginia and Virginia are the northernmost states within Southern Appalachia.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by Infamous92

They're Mid-Atlantic States.

Mid-Atlantic = North + South

i don't agree with that. Delaware and Maryland are beyond a shadow of doubt not Southern. You can feel and sense a huge change in culture and attitudes between them and Virginia. Even the climate is different, especially since D.C. lies right along the isotherm/isofreeze line. Virginia doesn't really get a whole lot of snow outside of Appalachia. Maryland and Delaware were much more industrial than Virginia, and they fit in better with the Bos-Wash Corridor. Once you get south of that region, there is a significant cultural change in almost every single possible way. Cuisine, dialect, demographics, politics, etc.