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Old 01-05-2013, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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The folks I have met from Southern Ohio all had a heavy southern accent. Any place where the use of "You'uns" or "You all" rather than "You" to me is southern.
You all is not a southern use. I've heard that term used in South Dakota. You all is quite common across the United States. "Y'all" is what is southern. There is a huge difference between "Y'all" and "You all." Although, it should be noted that "y'all" is occasionally used by white people outside of the south. South Central and Southeast Ohio I agree would be a south midland to a southern dialect. South Midland more likely is the accent you are hearing...it can be southern-sounding to one who isn't familiar with the dialect, but when one compares it to a southern dialect, the differences are obvious...not even close to the same.
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:17 AM
 
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I have never heard you'uns tho used in our Minnesota/Upper Midwest. I first heard it from a fellow who was from Tennessee. It made me laugh when I heard it.
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Medicine? I told you it wasnt a rant.I guess you not hearin me. MID-ATLANTIC is not the REGIONAL South or NORTH it is the Mid-Atlantic. Nova is NOTHING like the Northeast...people maybe moving there from the Northeast...just as Southern Blacks moved into Harlem it didnt make NY the South/New Orleans all of sudden. A Black Virginian,James Weeks, built Weeksville, Brooklyn ,NY for Southern Blacks and freed Ny slaves...didnt make it the South though...that might explain why I get along with Brooklynites better than any other NYers though.

You may have relatives who live in DC, but I have relatives who live in all 3 corners of Philly, DC, W BMore, Salisbury Area, DE, DELMARVA, Roanoke, Tappahannock, Norfolk, Portsmouth, and Chesapeake for decades and centuries. And I have frequented these areas all my life. Most of DelMarVA is classified as having a "Tidewater" accent. Lotta Africans and Hispanics recently populating that sprawl from DC to BMO, So what type of people are we talkin about (transplants/foreigners)? Alot of those Black people in Baltimore have family or came from the Shore. And Baltimore does not talk like Philly...they have maybe 2 - 3 words in common. And as far as the delusion of "some" people of the entire Mid-Atlantic not wanting to be associated with the "backwards-country slavery practicing South" theyll say they from "Up-Top" or some other clown ish...some of them dudes dont even know or want to except reallity because "it isnt cool". What culture? What Demographic? DC/PG and Baltimore are NOTORIOUS for pointing out how theyre not alike. NoVA is just glad to be a part of the click by default. Richmond and DC used to have ALOT in common from what I remember...more than Richmond and HR. I guess Richmond mustve said to themselves they can stand on their own two and have their own identity...if so good for them. Yet and still we all use similiar words, go to similiar schools (HBCUs), and exchange several things. Plenty of folks from Philly and Baltimore round here including some of my family. Some in Richmond cause they "claim" its more like "up north"...whatever. Plenty of my Maryland fam livin up in Philly.

Again, this is not a rant.
I don't agree that it isn't a rant, and this is my last response to you, so don't bother replying. Richmond does not have its own identity, its identity has never changed. And the idea of it being different from the rest of Virginia is laughable..having been there myself, i know this to be bogus. Baltimore and Washington are not that different...they have overlapped and are a mere 50 miles apart...suggesting that some difference exists between them is outrageous...yes, people will argue they are different cities, and they are in that regard...in regards to everything else, they are not. Baltimore and Washington haven't been more like Richmond for at least a century. After the Civil War, Baltimore and Washington lost many of their southern characteristics, reducing them to mere influences. And Baltimore and Washington may not be more like New England, but they are certainly more like the lower Northeast.

Demographic maps showing dominant white ancestry per county (Maryland is German, a trait only found in states outside of the south), religious maps (especially Southern Baptist ones), and I know for a fact that 10 years ago, sweet tea was not heavily sold and marketed in most of Maryland...the only southern food they had was their seafood industry, and one can actually even question whether that is southern because New England has a seafood industry. My only grudge with the Southern Baptist map is that Missouri, while it may have large numbers of Baptists, is not linguistically or culturally associated with the south, and actually has more Catholics than Baptists in terms of numbers of religious adherents.

Here is a dialect map which has been widely and universally accepted by just about everyone on the planet. It was done by professional linguists from the University of Pennsylvania. It only includes southern Maryland in southern dialect. If all these maps are not enough for you, you're beyond help and it's not my concern.

NYC dialect samples

Google Image Result for http://www.lawpundit.com/blog/GermanAmericanAncestryMapCensus2000.jpg

Google Image Result for http://philebersole.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/baptist.gif

Couple all this on top of my own experiences having visited Maryland and Delaware, and Baltimore and Maryland are all more associated with Pennsylvania than Virginia. Anybody who would say these places can't be considered more Northern than Southern from a modern standpoint is not someone I'm going to give my time of day to. Good day sir...we are done discussing this. Don't bother replying.

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Old 01-05-2013, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Thats because you are a hardheaded know nothing who doesnt understand the concept of MID-ATLANTIC as I have been saying that each post...never said the south(other than historically) and Chesapeake Bay seaford culture is not the same as NE seaford culture (Chesapeake is a city of Virginia btw)...but I guess you know my family better than me huh you FOREIGNER. OK then, St Louis is more like Memphis, Nashville, and little Rock more than it is Chicago and Detroit. What do you know...go on DCs forum with REAL DC natives and tell them how they are like BMORE and see what happen. Funny how you sight a bunch of religious crap and European ancestry when both these places have been Chocolate Cities for decades...YOU SHOUD BE TALKIN AME CHURCH know it all. Theyre Mid-Atlantic not "northern" or "southern" like I have BEEN saying. GTFOH. Like you say...no need to reply.Tard.
You're a waste of space and energy. You can't produce a single document supporting your opinion. Meanwhile, I've given mounds of supporting evidence. You just can't admit you're wrong. And I'm not GTFOH. I'm going to stay until I've driven you out of your mind..lol you already aren't yourself.
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:34 AM
 
Location: Hampton Roads, VA.
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You're a waste of space and energy. You can't produce a single document supporting your opinion. Meanwhile, I've given mounds of supporting evidence. You just can't admit you're wrong. And I'm not GTFOH. I'm going to stay until I've driven you out of your mind..lol you already aren't yourself.
LMAO. You obviously dont even understand your OWN two-bit "documentation".
Your so-called "NY dialect map" clearly says..." Map of Urban Dialect Areas in the US". Its obvious you dont see the problem with that statement so we'll see if you can comprehend the rest, as it goes on to say..."The South Atlantic States which are Delaware, Florida, Goergia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virgina (plus the District of Columbia)" ahem. Not only that, the phrase "frequently heard (by Northerners) as being quite Southern sounding." That my friend is their opinion...some Northerners think people from Detroit sound Southern...I DO NOT...go look at the "Why some people loose their accent" thread on C-D...it will be just as valid a documentation as this mess youre using. On top of that, did you even look at the Green Lines through MD? You do know where DC and Delmarva are, dont you?LMAO. Even Baltimore is suspciouslly close to that line. But check this out...


Andy's Baltimore Accent - YouTube Bmore/ Southwest/Dundalk etc.


BLACK MAN JOINS THE KKK - YouTube And "Bob" dont even sound like his ethnic group been in MD long but check him out any way...LMAO.


Eastern Shore of Maryland Accent - YouTube "Wheres Toya/Gloria?Wheres the baby?" LOL. E.Shore.


The odd accent of Tangier VA (from AMERICAN TONGUES) - YouTube The odd accent of Tangier...more isolated...yet sounds similar to Baltimore accents especially when pronouncing goose, house, loose etc. If this link doesnt work just go to you tube and type in The Odd accent of Tangiers Va.or click under this picture here ^^^^^^^^^^^^. Play it over the Baltimore accent at the same time.SMH.
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Discussion with random elderly guy in Norfolk about the history of the Ocean View area - YouTube Tidewater, NORFOLK VA.


Carolina Outer Banks Brogue Vocabulary - YouTube OBX NC slightly different

Your German ancestry map means what exactly??? NOTHING!!!LOL. you a trip.LMAO.

Your "baptist religious map" BUWHAHAAHHA...are you serious? What about the AME church?LOL.

Look dude/maam I was born here and travel all through these lands.You from the- SHOW ME- state but you aint showed me ISH!!!LOL...you cant drive me out of my mind because I KNOW what Im talkin about. SMH. "Ive given mounds of supporting evidence" you say, LMAO!!!! patooey!

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Old 01-06-2013, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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LMAO. You obviously dont even understand your OWN two-bit "documentation".
Your so-called "NY dialect map" clearly says..." Map of Urban Dialect Areas in the US". Its obvious you dont see the problem with that statement so we'll see if you can comprehend the rest, as it goes on to say..."The South Atlantic States which are Delaware, Florida, Goergia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virgina (plus the District of Columbia)" ahem. Not only that, the phrase "frequently heard (by Northerners) as being quite Southern sounding." That my friend is their opinion...some Northerners think people from Detroit sound Southern...I DO NOT...go look at the "Why some people loose their accent" thread on C-D...it will be just as valid a documentation as this mess youre using. On top of that, did you even look at the Green Lines through MD? You do know where DC and Delmarva are, dont you?LMAO. Even Baltimore is suspciouslly close to that line. But check this out...


Andy's Baltimore Accent - YouTube Bmore/ Southwest/Dundalk etc.


BLACK MAN JOINS THE KKK - YouTube And "Bob" dont even sound like is ethnic group been in MD long but check him out any way...LMAO.


Eastern Shore of Maryland Accent - YouTube "Wheres Toya?Wheres the baby?" LOL. E.Shore.



The odd accent of Tangier VA (from AMERICAN TONGUES) - YouTube The odd accent of Tangier...more isolated...yet sounds similar to Baltimore accents especially when pronouncing goose, house, loose etc. If this link doesnt work just go to you tube and type in The Odd accent of Tangiers Va.
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Discussion with random elderly guy in Norfolk about the history of the Ocean View area - YouTube Tidewater


Carolina Outer Banks Brogue Vocabulary - YouTube OBX NC

Your German ancestry map means what exactly??? NOTHING!!!LOL. you a trip.LMAO.

Your "baptist religious map" BUWHAHAAHHA...are you serious? What about the AME church?LOL.

Look dude/maam I was born here and travel all through these lands...you cant drive me out of my mind because I KNOW what Im talkin about. SMH. "Ive given mounds of supporting evidence" you say, LMAO!!!! patooey!
You're batsh*t out of your mind. You think your opinion supercedes that of professional linguists. You think maps factually created by religious experts are false. You think ancestry maps say nothing. I hope you seriously hurt yourself laughing, because the only thing that's funny is your refusal to see things anybody else's way but your own. If you can't see the meaning of the maps I post, I'm not dealing with a piece of garbage like you any longer. Go and blabber your b.s. to somebody dumb enough to believe your crap. Your family as far as I can tell is f***ed up given how bad you are..ROFLMAO!!!! F***ing enema bag.
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:19 AM
 
Location: Hampton Roads, VA.
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You're batsh*t out of your mind. You think your opinion supercedes that of professional linguists. You think maps factually created by religious experts are false. You think ancestry maps say nothing. I hope you seriously hurt yourself laughing, because the only thing that's funny is your refusal to see things anybody else's way but your own. If you can't see the meaning of the maps I post, I'm not dealing with a piece of garbage like you any longer. Go and blabber your b.s. to somebody dumb enough to believe your crap. Your family as far as I can tell is f***ed up given how bad you are..ROFLMAO!!!! F***ing enema bag.
I guess they dont makem to bright in missoura huh...watch the videos..LISTEN...the people speak for themselves. You are arguin against your own "documentation". Your "experts" are the ones who included DE, MD, and DC in the "SOUTH ATLANTIC"...where as I said" Mid-Atlantic",along with VA, smart one.Experts?LOL.EF YOUR so-called experts..they are idiots, you foreigner.

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Old 01-06-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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Urban and suburban Maryland and Delaware have far more in common with Pennsylvania and New Jersey than they do with South Carolina or Tennessee. Rural Maryland and Delaware may have more in common with locales further south, but even saying that is somewhat of a stretch.

Driving, talking, and walking fast; as well as liberalism, the lack of religion, and opposition towards the Second Amendment; are not traits of true Southerners, my friend.
In your opinion which does not remove the FACT that Maryland is a Southern State and further more you have not really traveled throughout Maryland to make such an opinionated claim...
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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LMAO.

I know we call all Central Americans "mexicans", but I think the ones in DE might be Ecuadorian/Guatemalans and the ones in PG/NoVa are Salvadorian. Why since George Bush JR. they all decided to come out here , I do not know. But since we arent really familiar with these folks Im sure they will continued to all be called Mexican.
Not just George Bush Jr. but more so of the local City/State Democrat Politicians rolling out the welcome red carpet invitation for more Illegal Mexican-Central American Immigrants to populate the cities/suburbs.......
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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What? I by no means "hate" Maryland. In fact, I quite like it. I have several friends from Maryland whom I also like. But they are NOT culturally southern - and they'll be the first to tell you so. If people from Maryland and DC don't identify as Southern, why force that label on them? Especially when they don't actually rsemble the south in culture AT ALL. My friends from Maryland much more identified and related to our friends from Pennsylvania than me, from Kentucky.

But maybe I should be clear here in that "southern" to me is way more about culture than location. The Mason-Dixon line has nothing to do with it. I don't even consider certain parts of NoVa southern. Or some parts of my home state, Kentucky, which are more like Ohio. It's about culture, not location, and Maryland is NOT southern in that regard.
It is about location and when it comes to culture just by judging the above comment pretty much describes that you have not taken any travels to different parts of Maryland except for Washington, DC and maybe Baltimore in which it is well known that a lot of people from DC and Baltimore are transplants from other regions of the United States.
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