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Old 01-26-2010, 08:50 AM
Location: Denver
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Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
It's clear where your bias is. So which is it, loose laws or numbers of guns or types of guns? Or are you just going to change the argument based on when it's questioned? In any case you're completely wrong. Did you make those stats up yourself or did you read them on Handgun Control Incs website?

How do you explain the crime and murder rates dropping every time they allow law abiding citizens more access to own and carry firearms? Do you really think that North Dakota has ultra strict gun laws and low ownership? Hardly. In Idaho you can legally own fully automatic weapons, and yet they have among the lowest murder rates. DC on the other hand has some of the strictest gun laws in the country and the highest murder rate, go figure.
I agree with Thomas R's post...there are so many different factors which contribute to gun violence. You cite North Dakota's stellar gun violence statistics and chastize Washington DC. You mock ExNoo Yawk...yet you're comparing Apple to Oranges yourself. North Dakota is a state of 646,000 people over a total area of 70,762 square miles. Washington DC is a city of 600,000 over a total area of 61.4 square miles. You cite Idaho's right to carry automatic weapons...yet they're a state of 1,523,816 over 83,642 square miles.

The places with loose gun laws and great gun crime statistics have 15.64 people per square mile, and 9.3 people per square mile...Washington DC has about 9,800 people per square mile. DC is a crowded, close-quarters city.

Common sight in North Dakota

Common sight in Washington DC

The people of North Dakota would need a .50 caliber rifle to even reach their neighbors! Obviously that's a bit of a joke...but I hope you understand what I'm saying. There's a complete difference in cultures when it comes to this. City vs Rural; huge ethnic mixes vs mainly white; drug wars, etc, etc.

"If more people carry guns, there will be less crime"

This school of thought only works in an area of significant population if, and only if, people are reasonable. However, we prove time and time again that people are not reasonable. What works for Idaho and North Dakota certainly doesn't work for Washington DC...and if you look down South where gun laws are loose and population densities are higher than that of Idaho, ND, etc...it doesn't seem to work for them either.

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Old 01-29-2010, 06:47 PM
Location: DC/Brooklyn, NY/Miami, FL
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Baltimore obviously contributes heavily to Maryland's very high rate for that region.
Prince George's County, MD also contributes.
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