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Old 12-19-2008, 01:21 PM
 
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Ah yes, those 'folks in other parts of the Bay'. I keep forgetting that their opinion on Oakland and Richmond is more important and valid than the opinions of Oaklanders and Richmonders themselves. What was I thinking?
Good, I'm glad you realized your error. Next time know your role.
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Old 12-19-2008, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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No actually I heard on a television show called gangland on the history channel that LA was still the gang capital of the world. The largest and most ruthless gang in the US right now was started in LA MS-13. But Chicago is right up there behind LA.
Chicago has an amazing amount of gang history. The Italian Mafia in Chicago has always been even more ruthless than the New York Mob (You might have heard of one of their old leaders Al Capone) and the Irish Mob there gave the Italians a good run for their money.

In addition to the Mobs Chicago has always had countless street gangs many of which expanded to other cities. A member of the Chicago gang the Black P. Stones Moved to L.A. at a young age and started the Bloods. A member of a Chicago Hispanic gang moved to New York where his Latin Kings went on to become the biggest most brutal gang in NYC. and a nationwide force. The Folks gang originally of Chicago is also seen all over America.

Chicago was crawling with gangs a 100 years ago and is still bad today.
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Old 08-24-2010, 06:51 PM
 
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Chicago has an amazing amount of gang history. The Italian Mafia in Chicago has always been even more ruthless than the New York Mob (You might have heard of one of their old leaders Al Capone) and the Irish Mob there gave the Italians a good run for their money.

In addition to the Mobs Chicago has always had countless street gangs many of which expanded to other cities. A member of the Chicago gang the Black P. Stones Moved to L.A. at a young age and started the Bloods. A member of a Chicago Hispanic gang moved to New York where his Latin Kings went on to become the biggest most brutal gang in NYC. and a nationwide force. The Folks gang originally of Chicago is also seen all over America.

Chicago was crawling with gangs a 100 years ago and is still bad today.
if your talking about black p stone bloods
T rodger didn't start the bloods t Rodgers just started the black p stone in L.A
in eventually joined the bloods
ain't no Chicago based gangs in L.A for that matter
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Old 08-24-2010, 06:53 PM
 
Location: southern california
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gota say the time of day matters. i would say hunters point 3am san francisco.
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:18 PM
 
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you guys are basing everything off of statistics. rather big or small, concentrated or vastly spread out, a ghetto is the ghetto. In terms of the bay area, SF is a great city, but its problems are overlooked and as a result, intensify. its condensed pockets of severe poverty are forced to living at a rate set by the extreme upper class that surrounds them. Oakland takes all the baggage in news headlines to keep SF's real estate at its best. In Oakland's case, its reputation of being a so bad has actually turned that into the case—such a slogan fails to include the good things that oakland has going on. Those good and unique qualities suffer because no one wants part of it (those who live on the 'outside'). For the bay area over all, its the suburbs that are getting bad because no one can afford to live in the inner city anymore. Fairfield, Concord, Vallejo, Pitsburgh, Hayward, and Daly City have seen the flux of that. i have grown up in the east bay and san francisco, have suffered tragedies in both— and have been deeply dedicated to communities and worked in public schools in both Oakland, Emeryville, and San francisco in multiple neighborhoods, due to some pretty radically life changing events in my youthhood. i cannot imagine that La is more different there is just more area that it covers.

I cannot speak about LA cause i never visited or lived there, and will not even begin to compare my experience to something that i haven't. statistics are fine in terms of foundation of understanding, but they completely leave out the complexity that exists in what generates them. and scholarly writing can never sum up a perfect theory to explain that. scholarly writing is an informed and informs, but it can never summarize the constantly changing politics on the street

its bad if its bad. there is no "worst" place. and that means many different things to places and people.

my perspective is severely flawed though. it is bias on my own perception and experience. i do not "intend" to know everything about everything. i thought this conversation could use a little splash of that. how many other people on here are talking from first hand experience? i think that that is the true conversation.... hope this was enlightening.

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Old 05-31-2011, 09:20 PM
 
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Oakland/Richmond..
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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you guys are basing everything off of statistics. rather big or small, concentrated or vastly spread out, a ghetto is the ghetto. In terms of the bay area, SF is a great city, but its problems are overlooked and as a result, intensify. its condensed pockets of severe poverty are forced to living at a rate set by the extreme upper class that surrounds them. Oakland takes all the baggage in news headlines to keep SF's real estate at its best. In Oakland's case, its reputation of being a so bad has actually turned that into the case—such a slogan fails to include the good things that oakland has going on. Those good and unique qualities suffer because no one wants part of it (those who live on the 'outside'). For the bay area over all, its the suburbs that are getting bad because no one can afford to live in the inner city anymore. Fairfield, Concord, Vallejo, Pitsburgh, Hayward, and Daly City have seen the flux of that. i have grown up in the east bay and san francisco, have suffered tragedies in both— and have been deeply dedicated to communities and worked in public schools in both Oakland, Emeryville, and San francisco in multiple neighborhoods, due to some pretty radically life changing events in my youthhood. i cannot imagine that La is more different there is just more area that it covers.

I cannot speak about LA cause i never visited or lived there, and will not even begin to compare my experience to something that i haven't. statistics are fine in terms of foundation of understanding, but they completely leave out the complexity that exists in what generates them. and scholarly writing can never sum up a perfect theory to explain that. scholarly writing is an informed and informs, but it can never summarize the constantly changing politics on the street

its bad if its bad. there is no "worst" place. and that means many different things to places and people.

my perspective is severely flawed though. it is bias on my own perception and experience. i do not "intend" to know everything about everything. i thought this conversation could use a little splash of that. how many other people on here are talking from first hand experience? i think that that is the true conversation.... hope this was enlightening.
Thanks for the enlightened opinion.

On Oakland.

We have a little vindication because the Oakland Hills'(Pop 118,000) was recently named one of the places in highest standards of living in California--scoring the same range as famed places as Newport Beach and Bel Air.

That was super cool cause it really does validate what many of us have been saying for years--that Oakland is more than its crime rate.
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:22 AM
 
Location: Belgium
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What always strikes me when reading about bad neighborhoods, is that for some strange reason they are often situated in the eastern parts of the city.

You know: East L.A., East London, East St-Louis, East New York, East Palo Alto,...

Wonder why that is.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:15 AM
 
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I like how people say Midwest,South, NE, and West coast. Dont forget people that there are other states in the West, its not just West Coast.
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Old 06-03-2011, 04:03 PM
 
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Ppl on here make SF sound like the worst thing since Iraq
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