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Old 10-04-2008, 06:04 PM
 
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While a large percentage of Minnesotans may be socially liberal, the result of living in a relatively homogeneous place, made up of people largely isolated from the realities of more diverse multicultural hell holes, such as some areas of Greater Los Angeles, such views haven't made your state stronger or prosperous. If you think so, I'd really like to hear your take on why you believe that such ideology has been good for your state. I'm not looking for an argument, only your perspective.
You basically answered your own question. Go live in Minn. and you'll notice why people who grew up there and people who live there get a standard of living and a socioeconomic benefit spread over the population that is much greater than in most places. Low poverty, low crime, first rate education, much more "even" than most areas of the country. Minnesota has one of the higest qualities of living in the entire country.

This isn't an "ideology" that's thrust upon the state by it's people, it's just their comfortable and rational way of living. It's how the region developed. Sorry it's German/Irish/Norwegian.

There are a million different qualities of life. Density and crowds, nature, diversity, education, culture, hard labor, quietness. It's all about finding what you want. There's nothing wrong with Minnesota being homogeneous. It's not hurting anyone, and it's not depriving the people there of being anything they personally want to be. They choose to be there.

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Old 10-04-2008, 06:11 PM
 
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"The South ranks lower in education because about thirty percent of its population is black, which generally scores lower on standardized tests, as well as IQ tests".-Scraper Enthusiast.
Listen, I lived in Eastern TN for six years and have ran into (a lot) uneducated whites who don't know a thing; I ran into a lot of older rural folk who didn't know how to read and write and many were at least past the age of 45 years old. That 'old South' mentality is the, "I'm having a problem, oh it's the black folks fault". If that was not the case then I apologize but it seems that you read too many books and let the wrong kind of propaganda mess up your thinking on an entire race, again I apologize if I'm wrong about you. I'm not afraid of what people think of me or my city if they have it twisted or wrong instead I let them know how things really are (about me and my area). If you see some Blacks who don't care about education and then a group who does care about education then logic would let you know that Black people are capable to have and use their high IQ. I think I'm defensive because I worked with some older whites in TN who love to throw figures up against all Blacks because they spoke with some agenda, some of your post just sparked that memory (not a jab in any way). I coud write a book on this but thanks for getting me back into "deep thought" mode.
You're correct, in that there are some very uneducated white people in certain parts of Appalachia, as well as in some of the other more rural regions of the South. However, generally speaking, the percentage of uneducated white southerners is by far less than that of blacks, southern or not. I'm not letting white people off the hook, as I generally can't understand why some individuals are as uneducated or as unintelligent as they are, but it happens.

My point, though, is that if the South had similar demographics, racially speaking, as the Midwest or most states in other parts of the country, the South would fair much better, and would likely be at the national average. This has been shown for whites in Georgia schools, who outperform whites nationally, if only at minimal levels. Yet, given that about 46% of Georgia's students are black, while a place like North Dakota (often at the top of educational statistics) is only one percent black, the impact and the differential rates of achievement and IQ are going to be reflected in a lower-than-average statistic for the state of Georgia. The same goes for most southern states.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:18 PM
 
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Who said any such thing? Are you reduced to making a case by way of sophomoric sarcasm? Address the point. Did SE say anything that isn't true???

Here is another rather unpleasant truth: The folks who advocate strict gun-control laws often cite the coorelation between high murder rates in the South and our general lack of such (gun control). However, what is NOT mentioned is that in any area where certain minorities are a large percentage of the population, the murder rates via handguns are higher than the national mean!

A blunt fact is that cities with high minority populations are the most dangerous to live in. The handgun murder rate among whites and asians is not much different than any in Europe. It rises considerably when one factors in race.

I am sorry, but it is a simple truth. And ignoring it, or calling it "racist" doesn't make it go away...

I wish it did, but it doesn't...

And by the way, to use an old cliche'? One of my very best friends is a black man...and he and I talk about this stuff all the time.
have you asked yourself why blacks and hispanics lead so many bad categories? you pulled out gun control, which leads me to believe that you haven't done a whole lotta research. no matter what state, we have as much gun control in 2008 as we've ever had since 1776.

btw, scraper is illogical and comes off as feeling entitled.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Literally, every person I've met from the north has been this way. I'm not judging off just one person,but the north has to been known as a region full of arrogant people. Even lots of northeners on this forum act this way.
Amen to that.We have been discussing this in the "divide Illinois in 2" thread on here.We have A LOT of trouble around here with northerners moving down here from Chicago and bringing their attitudes with them.The upside of that is that some local usually beats the everloving hell out of them before to long and they either settle down or go back from whence they came.I have met a few of them lately who are wonderful people though,so there is hope that not all are bigheaded idiots.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:20 PM
 
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You basically answered your own question. Go live in Minn. and you'll notice why people who grew up there and people who live there get a standard of living and a socioeconomic benefit spread over the population that is much greater than in most places. Low poverty, low crime, first rate education, much more "even" than most areas of the country. Minnesota has one of the higest qualities of living in the entire country.

This isn't an "ideology" that's thrust upon the state by it's people, it's just their comfortable and rational way of living. It's how the region developed. Sorry it's German/Irish/Norwegian.
Low Poverty: the result of having fewer high poverty minority group individuals.

Low Crime: the result of having fewer high crime minority group individuals.

First Rate Education: Not an indication of the quality of the state's teachers, but more or less an indication of having fewer numbers of lower IQ'd minority group individuals who perform poorly at school.

Quality of Life: Subjective, but I'll give you this one-the result of having a relatively homogeneous, low-poverty, low-crime, higher IQ'd population.

Any state with similar demographics could do such, granted that industries/jobs were always available to the people, and I'm not referring to public sector jobs.

With having fewer minorities, who disproportionately contribute more crime, perform poorly at schools, and who are of a lower socioeconomic status, you are able to "spread around" the taxpayers money to the much smaller population who receives some type of government benefit. This is why socialist policies, though ultimately destined to fail, can survive the longest in such atmospheres, such as Sweden, Minnesota, or other more homogeneously white locales, with some seeming short-term benefits.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:21 PM
 
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have you asked yourself why blacks and hispanics lead so many bad categories? you pulled out gun control, which leads me to believe that you haven't done a whole lotta research. no matter what state, we have as much gun control in 2008 as we've ever had since 1776.

btw, scraper is illogical and comes off as feeling entitled.
I'm illogical? In what way? What have I stated that comes off as "illogical"?
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:23 PM
 
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You're correct, in that there are some very uneducated white people in certain parts of Appalachia, as well as in some of the other more rural regions of the South. However, generally speaking, the percentage of uneducated white southerners is by far less than that of blacks, southern or not. I'm not letting white people off the hook, as I generally can't understand why some individuals are as uneducated or as unintelligent as they are, but it happens.

My point, though, is that if the South had similar demographics, racially speaking, as the Midwest or most states in other parts of the country, the South would fair much better, and would likely be at the national average. This has been shown for whites in Georgia schools, who outperform whites nationally, if only at minimal levels. Yet, given that about 46% of Georgia's students are black, while a place like North Dakota (often at the top of educational statistics) is only one percent black, the impact and the differential rates of achievement and IQ are going to be reflected in a lower-than-average statistic for the state of Georgia. The same goes for most southern states.
This is mindless racism. Sad.

You sound like you're talking about which breed of dogs is better.

There are reasons this country is the way it is, and why people end up in barrels they cannot climb out of. It's not because they were born of parents with dark skin.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:27 PM
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My roommate is from Washington D.C. and he constantly compares Houston to Washington and say how Houston is backwards, our girls are "sticks???" compared to girls up north, you guys have better music,etc

Why do northeners feel like they are better than us???
Maybe the Houston girls are not impressed with him. I find that most people say things like this when they have been rejected.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:29 PM
 
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My roommate is from Washington D.C. and he constantly compares Houston to Washington and say how Houston is backwards, our girls are "sticks???" compared to girls up north, you guys have better music,etc

Why do northeners feel like they are better than us???
I'm sorry but you let one jerk represent all of the people of the north? I found out my brother in laws grandfather was KKK in Mississippi.. you don't see me creating a thread asking why is everyone in the South a racist? That would be ignorant and irresponsible.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:30 PM
 
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This is mindless racism. Sad.

You sound like you're talking about which breed of dogs is better.

There are reasons this country is the way it is, and why people end up in barrels they cannot climb out of. It's not because they were born of parents with dark skin.
Why is the continent of Africa the way it is, while the continent of Europe, and the descendants from the continent of Europe, is the way they are?

Why have studies on intelligence, time after time, revealed that the average black African has an intelligence quotient of around 70, considered border-line retarded in the western world? Why have these same studies shown black Americans, most of whom have some admixture of white blood, as having an average intelligence quotient of 85, considered borderline slow in the western world? Why do whites generally score at one hundred on intelligence quotient tests the world round?

Considering IQ, why have over ninety five percent of techonological inventions been created by Europeans and descendants from Europe? Why has nothing significant come out of sub-saharan Africa? Why has less inventiveness been seen in the rest of the non-European/descendant world over the course of history?

It clearly seems that socioeconomic status is more a product of genes, and that nurture doesn't quite tell the whole story.
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