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Old 10-12-2008, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo - Kensington
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So you support lifestyles that God clearly states are an abomination?
Good grief, is God channeling his thoughts through your keyboard strokes? Do you hear from Casper The Friendly Ghost, as well? Did all animals really come from Noah's Ark?

Give it up already... you are embarrassing yourself and don't even know it.

 
Old 10-12-2008, 12:27 PM
 
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The right to vote, hold office and join the military........all things that women were forbidden to do at one time or another.
While I do believe that allowing women the right to vote has helped push us toward socialism and big government, given a woman's natural, more emotional condition and need for protection (even from daddy government, if need be), all women aren't socialist-minded, and hence I'll agree with giving women the vote.

As far as "holding office", I'm mixed. In terms of lower positions, I'm okay with it. However, for the highest office of the land, it seems almost unnatural, the result of a weak, effeminate male populace. Yet, I can see that perhaps I may be wrong on this. I do believe, however, that it is best for a man to lead.

As far as military goes, I believe that women should not serve. Given young men's stretched hormonal levels, having men and women serve together puts American lives at risk, for a young man trying to get the attention of a female could be the difference between life and death of soldiers. Furthermore, women, on average, are much weaker and do not need to be in combat.


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Then can you tell us why God would allow the leader of Evangelical Church (Ted Haggard) and numerous Catholic Priests to get caught in homosexual situations?
God gives people free-will. God never said that mankind wouldn't be tempted, only that He wouldn't give us more than we can handle.

People sin, and ministers are not immune from such.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 12:29 PM
 
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Good grief, is God channeling his thoughts through your keyboard strokes? Do you hear from Casper The Friendly Ghost, as well? Did all animals really come from Noah's Ark?

Give it up already... you are embarrassing yourself and don't even know it.
Okay, let's look at homosexuality from a secular point of view. Is homosexuality natural? Are the male and female sexes designed to mate with one another and produce offspring, or are male/male, female/female pairing normal? Which one produces offspring? Which ones do not?
 
Old 10-12-2008, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Scraper Enthusiast, what a Zealot you are! Some real brownie points you've gotten today with your God. But once again, you have included religion in a government issue. I don't see how a state has a right to ban two non-related, of-age people from being recognized as a married couple by the US government. Sure, if a Church won't recognize it, no big deal. It goes against a Church's teachings and doctrines.

I don't see how it goes against anything constitutional though. I don't think its just a ploy to get people to accept their lifestyle. I think it's a way for them to get people to recognize their love and devotion and to get the same rights as hetero couples. Do you think it should be illegal for a black man and a white woman to marry just because you think it's a ploy to get us to accept another's race???

The Devil can quote scripture for his purpose. I went to Catholic school and was raised Catholic. I don't believe that my Church should have to recognize their marriage but the state should.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 12:49 PM
 
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Scraper Enthusiast, what a Zealot you are! Some real brownie points you've gotten today with your God. But once again, you have included religion in a government issue. I don't see how a state has a right to ban two non-related, of-age people from being recognized as a married couple by the US government. Sure, if a Church won't recognize it, no big deal. It goes against a Church's teachings and doctrines.

I don't see how it goes against anything constitutional though. I don't think its just a ploy to get people to accept their lifestyle. I think it's a way for them to get people to recognize their love and devotion and to get the same rights as hetero couples. Do you think it should be illegal for a black man and a white woman to marry just because you think it's a ploy to get us to accept another's race???

The Devil can quote scripture for his purpose. I went to Catholic school and was raised Catholic. I don't believe that my Church should have to recognize their marriage but the state should.
Read my comments, as to why religion and state are intertwined, with respect to law.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Okay, let's look at homosexuality from a secular point of view. Is homosexuality natural? Are the male and female sexes designed to mate with one another and produce offspring, or are male/male, female/female pairing normal? Which one produces offspring? Which ones do not?
Against nature (1) (http://www.nhm.uio.no/againstnature/index.html - broken link)
 
Old 10-12-2008, 02:26 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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females and females have offspring?
Yes, there are entire species were there is only one sex. And yes, homosexuality exists in nature, it's been documented.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 02:28 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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What is marriage, in your opinion? You do realize that marriage is a clearly religious practice, deemed as being sanctified by God, that only in our more religious times became intertwined by the state and upheld to support and promote a moral society. Hence, since marriage is a religious institution, and since there is no religious promotion of homosexual marriage, homosexuals have no right to marry, as this is clearly against the religious premise, as deemed by God.
Not even close, marriage is not a religious practice, it existed before humans began to fear death and create religion.


E: Shouldn't this be in the politics section?

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Old 10-12-2008, 02:51 PM
 
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Yes, there are entire species were there is only one sex. And yes, homosexuality exists in nature, it's been documented.
There are hermaphrodite species, organisms that have both male and female reproductive organs and, hence, male and female sex cells. However, such species are natural. You do not belong to the sponge, a plant, or any other asexual species. You're a homo sapien, which belongs to the species sapien and the genus species. You're part of the class mammalia, which means that you're a mammal. All mammals reproduce sexually, meaning that a male pairs with a female. This is basic seventh grade science.

While there are anomolies to anything, such as organisms of other species participating what appears to be homosexual behavior (which may or may not be), the exception does not negate the rule. There are anomolies, and there are diversions that always occur throughout nature. This doesn't make it correct, or the way that nature designed.
 
Old 10-12-2008, 03:10 PM
 
Location: FL
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Let em have what they want and be less demonstrative like most the heterosexual couples. If 2 people cohabitate what they do is their own business, but not if they do it in my face and if they are bitchy about their lifestyle...NO. If they want to be under the same health insurer because of savings/practicality, so be it, don't see any big deal with this.
Many people become divorced because of imaturity, and have a difficult time in any relationship. So to all that are tring to keep a long term/forever relationship, grow up and stick to it...wether gay, straight or celebate.
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