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Old 10-15-2008, 04:30 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Most of the Sunbelt cities. Funny how people keep moving there though. I guess people like that element of tackiness. IMO, in a way, it does eliminate an element of pretentiousness.
sprawl is not always tacky. a lot of it is very tastefully done. i'd rather live down here in the sprawled sunbelt than the dense north any day.
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Old 10-15-2008, 04:32 PM
 
Location: moving again
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Can you show us some examples? Id like to see some attractive sprawl if you don't mind
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Old 10-15-2008, 04:34 PM
 
Location: NJ
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sprawl is not always tacky. a lot of it is very tastefully done. i'd rather live down here in the sprawled sunbelt than the dense north any day.
a lot of these "sunbelt" cities are "dense sprawl" however. Jammed packed housing developments with zero lot lines, and plots no larger than 1/6 of an acre. Not much different than the "typical" dense north.
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Old 10-15-2008, 04:38 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I can revisit several threads that were, in fact, very offensive about Phoenix in reference to how it looks or the fact that it is "sprawled", or ugly, or not a "tall" city. If you think ugly means commercial and residential development blending into the environment around it (mountains), then yes, perhaps it is boring, but ugly, no. I have visited many cities where neighborhoods and commercial developments are certainly not kept up and definitely ugly, but Phoenix would not be at the top of my list.
I don't find it pleasing to the eye and stand by my statement, especially since Phoenix not too long ago was a clean slate and could've been built out much more attractively. Sedona, on the other hand, is much better (maybe because everything's red, not brown ).
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Old 10-15-2008, 04:38 PM
 
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Can you show us some examples? Id like to see some attractive sprawl if you don't mind
sorry, no pictures, but atlanta is the first city i think of. i've never heard that city being referred to as ugly, yet it sprawls like crazy.

i just think people blow this whole sprawl/density thing way out of proportion and it has become very annoying.
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Old 10-15-2008, 04:47 PM
 
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a lot of these "sunbelt" cities are "dense sprawl" however. Jammed packed housing developments with zero lot lines, and plots no larger than 1/6 of an acre. Not much different than the "typical" dense north.
Atlanta's "sprawl", for the most part (exception being parts of Gwinnett County), looks pretty good. Why? 1) Atlanta's hilly topography hides a lot of the negative features that may be associated with "sprawl". 2) Atlanta's thick foliage hides a lot of the negative features, and even makes some negative features look okay (much of it is hidden), and 3) lots of Atlanta's shopping centers, new roads, housing is fairly good quality, so it doesn't look bad.

Other cities where the "sprawl" doesn't look bad, or even looks good:

Phoenix, Orlando, Charlotte, Denver, Kansas City, Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Raleigh-Durham, Washington D.C. area, San Diego, San Francisco, Birmingham

Cities where the "sprawl" is tolerable:

Nashville, Columbus, Dallas-Fort Worth, Tampa, Miami, Chicago

Places where the "sprawl", in my opinion, is truly tacky.

St. Louis, Houston

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Old 10-15-2008, 04:48 PM
 
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sorry, no pictures, but atlanta is the first city i think of. i've never heard that city being referred to as ugly, yet it sprawls like crazy.

i just think people blow this whole sprawl/density thing way out of proportion and it has become very annoying.
Atlanta's sprawl is somewhat attractive. However, I do think that Gwinnett County has some tacky areas, as does the Conyers area along I-20.
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:12 PM
 
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Atlanta's "sprawl", for the most part (exception being parts of Gwinnett County) looks pretty good. Why? 1) Atlanta's hilly topography hides a lot of the negative features that may be associated with "sprawl". 2) Atlanta's thick foliage hides a lot of the negative features, and even makes some negative features look okay (much of it is hidden), and 3) lots of Atlanta's shopping centers, new roads, housing is fairly good quality, so it doesn't look bad.

Other cities where the "sprawl" doesn't look bad, or even looks good:

Phoenix, Orlando, Charlotte, Denver, Kansas City, Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Raleigh-Durham, Washington D.C. area, San Diego, San Francisco, Birmingham

Cities where the "sprawl" is tolerable:

Nashville, Columbus, Dallas-Fort Worth, Tampa, Miami, Chicago

Places where the "sprawl", in my opinion, is truly tacky.

St. Louis, Houston
My point, exactly. all the way.

If there is such a thing as cities being blessed with good looks, atlanta is just that.
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Atlanta's "sprawl", for the most part (exception being parts of Gwinnett County), looks pretty good. Why? 1) Atlanta's hilly topography hides a lot of the negative features that may be associated with "sprawl". 2) Atlanta's thick foliage hides a lot of the negative features, and even makes some negative features look okay (much of it is hidden), and 3) lots of Atlanta's shopping centers, new roads, housing is fairly good quality, so it doesn't look bad.

Other cities where the "sprawl" doesn't look bad, or even looks good:

Phoenix, Orlando, Charlotte, Denver, Kansas City, Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Raleigh-Durham, Washington D.C. area, San Diego, San Francisco, Birmingham

Cities where the "sprawl" is tolerable:

Nashville, Columbus, Dallas-Fort Worth, Tampa, Miami, Chicago

Places where the "sprawl", in my opinion, is truly tacky.

St. Louis, Houston
How are these two cities tackier than the others you listed?
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:41 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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How are these two cities tackier than the others you listed?
"No zoning", wide concrete roads, and the flat topography contributes to some of houston's tackiness.

versus atlanta whose sprawl is hidden by forests and tall hills, the roads are asphalt and there's zoning.
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